Kent Hovind Gets 10 Years.

They are convictions as they were included in count 58. Is Hovind a Christian? Is the IRS a Christian agency? You believe Hovind is a liar and the IRS is a bastion of truth?

According to you and the IRS, Hovind made a threat against investigators. Here's what a Christian named Lindsey Springer said about this threat...

Then the Agents claimed Hovind violated Internal Revenue Code provision 7212(a) which makes it a crime to impede the IRS by threats of bodily harm. There was no threat of bodily harm. When asked about this at trial, Agent Schneider said he felt threatened when Kent requested on a radio show on April 15, 2004, the day after the raid, for listeners to pray God would deal with all those who were coming against the cause of Christ.​

According to you and the IRS a prayer request is now a convictable offense if an IRS agent suspects that he is the one considered to be going against the cause of Christ?

 

What if he molested children, raped a student or killed someone. You suppose he would've got that much time? He would've been better off being a former pastor of a baptist church who has been arrested and charged with capital sexual battery. That type of offense gets bail.

The property of a ministry for Christ is likely going to be sponged up by the gov't. A ministry that once advocated for creation science according to the Bible will be something else. He had property in the same way that your assembly house aka church is property.

 

AMEN Brother...now you're getting it!

 

and a theme park ain't a church.

 

The church is the body of Christ, all we are talking about here is walls, fencing and property where we meet together or deliver His message. Observe...http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-07-11-christian-theme-park_x.htm

In a ruling issued July 5 that Zion's Hope attorneys didn't receive until Monday, Judge Cynthia MacKinnon ruled all of the park was off-limits to taxation — not just the onsite administrative and education facilities already granted exemption.

"The undisputed evidence before the court is that (Zion's Hope) is using the property to spread what it considers to be God's word to many people at one time. This is in contrast to Disney World's and Anheuser-Busch's use of their properties, Epcot and Sea World, respectively, which is indisputably to make money for the companies." ​

From the DAL website...

"Dinosaur Adventure Land a man's vision of bringing God's work to light."​

How is Dinosaur Adventure Land different from The Holy Land Experience?

 

It seems that your chief complaint is with the severity of the sentence. Is that true?

On the other hand, he had plenty of opportunities to rectify the problem and refused to do so. He called the tune. Now it's time to pay the piper.

You also keep bringing up bail. Regardless of Hovinds protestations to the contrary, it appears he has enough money to be a flight risk. Tax thieves have a habit of rabbiting.

 

Now that is a fair question - have to look into it more

 

No. My chief complaint is the man is innocent and he got railroaded by a system that wants him out of the way and discredited.

I was replying to your contention that he got what he deserved as it is appalling to me that you would believe no probation, 10 years in prison and 3 years probation is what someone deserves for a white collar crime.

Why was Wesley Snipes released on bond if tax thieves have such a habit of rabbiting?

 

OK

It appears your loyalty is misplaced.

I believe he is guilty. I believe he is a thief. I believe he got what he deserved.

IMO End of story.

 

They were ruled exempt from property taxes, not payroll taxes.

Last year, Florida enacted a new law inspired by Zion's Hope:

Museums withhold paxroll taxes and pay FICA for their employees.

 

What they were exempted from does not change why they were exempt.

 

They were exempted for being a museum, not for being a church. And they were exempted from property taxes, not payroll taxes or building permits.

 

The circuit court ruled the property to be a church according to the laws at that time in 2005. Then it was appealed and Jeb wrote a new law, in 2006, to redefine the property of the church a museum, at which point the property was redefined as a museum. In the Holy Land Experience you have a governor redefining the meaning of a church, in the Hovind case you have the IRS redefining the words minister and employee. I guess it's just a case of whose definitions you want to use. Regardless, it does not change this...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"​

If congress can't do it, then certainly the IRS nor a governor of FL can do it.

 

Filing a petition for bankruptcy is now a crime?

Filing a lawsuit for criminal damages is a crime? They criminally trespassed and stole $47,000 from him without due process, should he roll over and say thank you may I have another?

Now it is criminal to file a complaint?

Asking for prayer on a radio program is now criminal?

Complaints are criminal?

More criminal complaints.

I just shredded a credit card statement, did I destroy a record? Who cares anyway, the IRS went through his trash and recreated shredded docs anyway.

Since he was running a ministry and not a business then this is lawful.

They threw a whole bunch of stuff on him to see how much they can get to stick. Then they get people to just accept that since they piled so much against him, then some of it must be true.

 

An employer is required to collect payroll taxes, and is required to turn them in.

Even churches...

http://www.elca.org/treasurer/congregations/payroll.html

 

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Lady Eagle

 

The apocalypse is near when Daisy and I are agreeing with Pastor Larry & carpro. YIKES!

 

The dispute pertains to a determination of what tribute is due to the IRS. Hovind believes he's a minister of God, doing God's work and that he is exempt from taxation according to the law of the land.

If you recall, we do not have a king as the founders of this nation rebelled against him. Why did they rebel? Over taxation. If you and your like are arguing for a monarchy then this is a fair argument. However, don't call yourselves patriots and then criticize Hovind for taking a stand against taxation.

It is us against the world. It is the follower's of Jesus Christ versus the spirit of antichrist and the followers of Anti-christ. In a gov't vein it is those that remember our free republic versus those who would prefer socialism and communism.

Would you be lobbing this same criticism against David?

"Deliver me from mine enemies, O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me." - Psalm 59:1​

"Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him." - Psalm 68:1​

"Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies." - Psalm 108:13​

His consideration that all his money is the Lord's is the root of his point. It is God's money being used in God's ministry. I can name but a few men who could challenge the dedication and hard work for the cause of Christ as Mr. Hovind. He's a true labourer for the cause of Christ and even in his affliction he is bringing souls to God. I am fully confident that God is pleased with Mr. Hovind's work and equally confident that He is displeased with the folks that are railing against one of His ministers for something they do not fully understand.

If you've been reading the blog link you posted you know that he has been.