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Kerry Heckler Tasered
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Webdog, what's your point with that question ? Are you doubting my experience, or just kind of being sarcastic ? I wasn't on the dude, no, but I have been in the exact same situation. I've actually seen perps struggle out of a hold, and do serious damage.
You haven't. You have never been in that situation, so you only have your heart to go on.
You haven't. You have never been in that situation, so you only have your heart to go on.
Bro Curtis, you're not the only one with experience in this area.
About 16 years ago, I was a Teachers Assistant in Special Education. It was a County Job. I filled in for the regular aides who took the summer's off.
It was a great job while in College, paid $10 per hr instead of $3.50 per hr, our minimum wage at the time. Theonly requirements were to pass a test, and be CPR certified. Being only 18 yrs old didn't hinder me. I was the only male teachers aide and recommended immediately. Now our County requires an AA Degree to be employed as an Aide.
I have experience in restraining kids, mainly in the Severely Emotionally Disturbed classes. I worked with teens, most were around my age to a year older. During this time, I once twisted a kids arm around his head and threatened him. I became tired of being battered, and became impatient. I never considered my life in danger, though he was 18 and I was 19, and we had the same build. I knew what I did was wrong, and never advocated it or told anyone. When the students acted up during school, they went to the padded room we called the quiet room. They were almost always dragged there by myself and the female teacher for a rediculous reason like not obeying commands at the snap of a finger. It was sad. I never considered this subduing someone, but I guess it was.
In getting to know the kids, I loved most of them. They had terrible backgrounds, and responded more postively to reasoning over authoritative threats.
I also worked at Juvenille Hall (Maximum Security) as a Teachers Assistant while in my teens-early twenties. I arrived just 3 years after being an inmate there for beating someone up. The guards were happy to see me again. I once had to subdue a student, but really, I just started beating them up. They were attacking another student who was pregnant. Being a brown belt, I really got him good, the other backed down. I didn't feel bad for it though he looked terrible afterwards. You see, sometimes the situation calls for it.
But this situation with tazering this man didn't call for anything close to torture. There was no immediate danger, yet precautions should be put in motion. The Police instigated this man, placing the public at more of a danger. Their job is to protect the public. When they are so cowardily that they must tazer people who are non- violent, then I feel they ought to be fired. Be a man for God's sakes.
Attacking non-violent people with a torture device after you have them subdued should be grounds for termination. People who do not find this practice as inhumane need to examine their hearts. You do not need to have "experience" in this area to know that.
About 16 years ago, I was a Teachers Assistant in Special Education. It was a County Job. I filled in for the regular aides who took the summer's off.
It was a great job while in College, paid $10 per hr instead of $3.50 per hr, our minimum wage at the time. Theonly requirements were to pass a test, and be CPR certified. Being only 18 yrs old didn't hinder me. I was the only male teachers aide and recommended immediately. Now our County requires an AA Degree to be employed as an Aide.
I have experience in restraining kids, mainly in the Severely Emotionally Disturbed classes. I worked with teens, most were around my age to a year older. During this time, I once twisted a kids arm around his head and threatened him. I became tired of being battered, and became impatient. I never considered my life in danger, though he was 18 and I was 19, and we had the same build. I knew what I did was wrong, and never advocated it or told anyone. When the students acted up during school, they went to the padded room we called the quiet room. They were almost always dragged there by myself and the female teacher for a rediculous reason like not obeying commands at the snap of a finger. It was sad. I never considered this subduing someone, but I guess it was.
In getting to know the kids, I loved most of them. They had terrible backgrounds, and responded more postively to reasoning over authoritative threats.
I also worked at Juvenille Hall (Maximum Security) as a Teachers Assistant while in my teens-early twenties. I arrived just 3 years after being an inmate there for beating someone up. The guards were happy to see me again. I once had to subdue a student, but really, I just started beating them up. They were attacking another student who was pregnant. Being a brown belt, I really got him good, the other backed down. I didn't feel bad for it though he looked terrible afterwards. You see, sometimes the situation calls for it.
But this situation with tazering this man didn't call for anything close to torture. There was no immediate danger, yet precautions should be put in motion. The Police instigated this man, placing the public at more of a danger. Their job is to protect the public. When they are so cowardily that they must tazer people who are non- violent, then I feel they ought to be fired. Be a man for God's sakes.
Attacking non-violent people with a torture device after you have them subdued should be grounds for termination. People who do not find this practice as inhumane need to examine their hearts. You do not need to have "experience" in this area to know that.
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I know I'm not the only one.
Yourself, advocating the use of a billy club in similar situations lets me know you are on the right side on this. We just disagree on the taser, specifically. The others here think the 5 or 6 cops should have just tried to out-wrestle him. That is where folks get hurt. Nobody was hurt here, they were just really uncomfortable for a while. Big difference. Everyone involved in this will be able to fully enjoy the upcoming ski season, something the new snow on top of the local mountains tells me is not far away.
Yourself, advocating the use of a billy club in similar situations lets me know you are on the right side on this. We just disagree on the taser, specifically. The others here think the 5 or 6 cops should have just tried to out-wrestle him. That is where folks get hurt. Nobody was hurt here, they were just really uncomfortable for a while. Big difference. Everyone involved in this will be able to fully enjoy the upcoming ski season, something the new snow on top of the local mountains tells me is not far away.
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What happened to thisguy was not an attack and the tazer was not a torture device. As a former law enforcement officer I can say that much speaking on this issue has been baseless rhetoric groounded in twisted presuppositions.
Curtis,
We might agree on some of this, but most of it, I don't see it. Whether beating him repeatdily with a club or shocking him with a tazer, it's all sickening.
I advocated the club use after reading another post which reminded me of how some people on certain drugs could have an extrodinary amount of power. Whacking someone lightly once can give them a signal. It says even if he is able to overpower the Officers, they still have the stick. It helps protect the Officers though I am not crazy about using the stick in this way. But to protect them, a small whack shouldn't do much harm to anyone.
Yet, the Officers were wrong in this situation to intervene anyway, and when this guy continued to mouth off to them, a small swat of the stick to show him who is boss might again may have shut him up. It's better than jumping on him with 5 other Cops then tazering him.
What was better for the public?
Do you reolize how terrifying this tazering is to the public? Hearing those blood curling screams probably caused alot of people mental trauma. Many may have nightmares for a long time afterwards, and become fearful of authority figures. This is not justice. This is sickening.
There are many abusive Cops in our area. But there are just as many great one's too.
This guy should have been allowed to talk. None of this should have occurred. The Officers caused this situation, caused it to escallate by throwing orders at him, then torturing the guy while scaring the living daylights out of the public.
Luckily, the Officers actions didn't cause a riot or an open shooting spree directed at them. I certainly would have been fantasizing about opening fire.
It appears, the end result was so horrific that allowing this guy to proceed at the mouth, temporarily ruining the meeting would have been better for all concerned.
We might agree on some of this, but most of it, I don't see it. Whether beating him repeatdily with a club or shocking him with a tazer, it's all sickening.
I advocated the club use after reading another post which reminded me of how some people on certain drugs could have an extrodinary amount of power. Whacking someone lightly once can give them a signal. It says even if he is able to overpower the Officers, they still have the stick. It helps protect the Officers though I am not crazy about using the stick in this way. But to protect them, a small whack shouldn't do much harm to anyone.
Yet, the Officers were wrong in this situation to intervene anyway, and when this guy continued to mouth off to them, a small swat of the stick to show him who is boss might again may have shut him up. It's better than jumping on him with 5 other Cops then tazering him.
What was better for the public?
Do you reolize how terrifying this tazering is to the public? Hearing those blood curling screams probably caused alot of people mental trauma. Many may have nightmares for a long time afterwards, and become fearful of authority figures. This is not justice. This is sickening.
There are many abusive Cops in our area. But there are just as many great one's too.
This guy should have been allowed to talk. None of this should have occurred. The Officers caused this situation, caused it to escallate by throwing orders at him, then torturing the guy while scaring the living daylights out of the public.
Luckily, the Officers actions didn't cause a riot or an open shooting spree directed at them. I certainly would have been fantasizing about opening fire.
It appears, the end result was so horrific that allowing this guy to proceed at the mouth, temporarily ruining the meeting would have been better for all concerned.
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Not having any experience in this field I cannot comment on the appropriateness of the TAZER, but,as I stated in an earlier post,
this situation is just the fruits of the liberal mindset that man is inherently good & any evil that he does is attributable only to bad background/parents and specifically "some-one/thing other than the individual himself.
Just a few selections of His word that are self-evident in this case.
'Tis a shame that the liberal mindset can't just accept what God says and go with it, instead of re-interpreting it to mean what they desire!
Oh well; just one more sign that the end is rapidly approaching!
MARANATHA!!!!
Whew!!!
I surely thunk that you were right next to all the action from:
Glad to know this is just an overactive imagination & not reality.
And I would love to have seen the justification at your trial for such action; had you not truly been fantasizing, of course.
Seen this before, and this thread just proves it:
As a former law enforcment officer, you are just probably caloused to this situation like so many become. 5 guys sitting on one guy tazering him, while the man was no immediate threat to himself, the officers or those in attendance (like the police report lied about) is hardly baseless rhetoric grounded in twisted presuppositions. The police report was a lie. Read it.2 Timothy2:1-4 said:
Joe said:
Yes, I would call it a number of things.
The fact that you harbor thoughts of shooting cops while watching them in the perform their duty is, to say the least, dusturbing.
I suggest this subject has you overwrought. Maybe it's time for you to indulge in some quiet time to see where your priorities actually are.
raying:carpro said:Yes, I would call it a number of things.
The fact that you harbor thoughts of shooting cops while watching them in the perform their duty is, to say the least, dusturbing.
I suggest this subject has you overwrought. Maybe it's time for you to indulge in some quiet time to see where your priorities actually are.
Calm down Carpro. I don't know anything about my "harboring" thoughts about Cops performing their duties, but I did mention what I would probably be thinking in being unnecessarily held down and tortured by Cops. You're getting a little dramatic here, let's stay in reality.
Take your own advice, and rest a while.....
Now I really better sign off, haven't got much done today. Bye All
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webdog said:
this is the problem. No one knows in advance that anyone who refuses to submit to legalcommands of law enforcement officers are not a threat. And the numbr of officers in the area do not speak to the lack of a threat. Your ignorance and inexperience appear to allow your view to be erroneous, groundless, and without merrit.
In laymens terms. You have no clue what you are talking about. short video clips are more dangerous than a help.
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Originally Posted by carpro
Yes, I would call it a number of things.
The fact that you harbor thoughts of shooting cops while watching them in the perform their duty is, to say the least, dusturbing.
I suggest this subject has you overwrought. Maybe it's time for you to indulge in some quiet time to see where your priorities actually are.raying:
Joe wrote:
"Luckily, the Officers actions didn't cause a riot or an open shooting spree directed at them. I certainly would have been fantasizing about opening fire. "
Maybe I misunderstood you.
Originally Posted by carpro
Yes, I would call it a number of things.
The fact that you harbor thoughts of shooting cops while watching them in the perform their duty is, to say the least, dusturbing.
I suggest this subject has you overwrought. Maybe it's time for you to indulge in some quiet time to see where your priorities actually are.
raying:Joe said:Calm down Carpro. I don't know anything about my "harboring" thoughts about Cops performing their duties, but I did mention what I would probably be thinking in being unnecessarily held down and tortured by Cops. You're getting a little dramatic here, let's stay in reality.
Take your own advice, and rest a while.....
Now I really better sign off, haven't got much done today. Bye All
Joe wrote:
"Luckily, the Officers actions didn't cause a riot or an open shooting spree directed at them. I certainly would have been fantasizing about opening fire. "
Maybe I misunderstood you.
carpro said:Quote:
Originally Posted by carpro
Yes, I would call it a number of things.
The fact that you harbor thoughts of shooting cops while watching them in the perform their duty is, to say the least, dusturbing.
I suggest this subject has you overwrought. Maybe it's time for you to indulge in some quiet time to see where your priorities actually are.
Joe wrote:
"Luckily, the Officers actions didn't cause a riot or an open shooting spree directed at them. I certainly would have been fantasizing about opening fire. "
Maybe I misunderstood you.
Somehow you forgot to include my explanation, not that it was needed anyway. Here it is FOR THE LAST TIME.
Joe said:Calm down Carpro. I don't know anything about my "harboring" thoughts about Cops performing their duties, but I did mention what I would probably be thinking in being unnecessarily held down and tortured by Cops. You're getting a little dramatic here, let's stay in reality.
Take your own advice, and rest a while.....
Now I really better sign off, haven't got much done today. Bye All
Yes, you misunderstood.
To clarify again, you misunderstood.
I forgive you
Now we must move on, get past this "fixation" of yours
THANK YOU
raying:
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Joe said:Somehow you forgot to include my explanation, not that it was needed anyway. Here it is FOR THE LAST TIME.
Yes, you misunderstood.
To clarify again, you misunderstood.
I forgive you
Now we must move on, get past this "fixation" of yours
THANK YOU
For some reason, I'm beginning to doubt your eyesight as well as your honesty.
If your forgiveness means as much as your written word, it's worthless.
But thanks anyway.
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