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Kerry Slams Our Troops Again

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Oct 31, 2006.

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  1. El_Guero

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    If he meant to say the first but said the second instead, he bribed someone to pass his classes.

    Rhetorically speaking, the first sentence has more punch than the second - but, they are worlds apart rhetorically. The first one was written to be a rhetorical device (actually several are used for impact). The second one was an off the cuff remark revealing his internal intent.

    No wonder he is embarrassed. His speech writer may have just quit.

    :type:

    What, oh what, will he do now?
     
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  2. mcdirector

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    Rotten tomatoes coming your way, you stinker :p
     
  3. Not_hard_to_find

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    Perhaps it is also true that slamming the administration is considered by many as a slam at the troops that support the principles of democracy they offer. During any slamming, specific troops are impacted.

    Having a number of family members in our armed services, that is my view.
     
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    My view, having listened to what he actually said and not his spin machine, is that what Kerry said in the 70's was either perjury or the confession of war crimes punishable by death.

    Either he is a liar that shamed his fellow soldiers, or he earned lethal injection for his crimes.

    I always find it ironic that liberals can admit that Jane made a mistake . . . but they have a more difficult time admitting what Kerry did. Jane was a woman that was not in uniform and supported the communists.

    Kerry, well he was being kerry.
     
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    :wayne_still_ducking:

     
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    This is typical stuff. Kerry hows how unpresidential he is. The Republicans jump on it and to try to get the maximum mileage. Kerry, rather than saying, "I misspoke, sorry" decides to go on the political attack and pretend like it is the Republicans fault. The Republicans refuse to let it drop and call on Kerry for an apology. Kerry refuses to apologize. It becomes an issue.

    Bottom line, you don't joke about soldiers or their commander in chief during war time. What in the world made Kerry think it was okay to joke about the military and the commander in chief during war time? If it was about Bush, it was a shameful personal attack on a man with as much education as Kerry has, and slightly better grades, if I recall the news stories correctly.

    That shows the great lack of judgment that Kerry is known for all too often. He lost an unlosable election in 2004. He has in the past made statements attacking soldiers and so when he makes a statement like this, people will jump on him.

    If he misspoke, as he claims, then apologize. (I actually think he did misspeak.) He has simply made it worse by his arrogance and refusal to address it legitimately. Turning it into a Republican issue is lame. It is a total lack of personal responsibility.

    However, it is kind of interesting to see those who hate the Republican spin now defend the democractic spin.
     
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  7. carpro

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    http://www.af.mil/news/story_print.asp?storyID=123027385
    Academic Education
    -- 49.2 percent of officers have advanced or professional degrees; 39.4 percent have master's degrees, 8.5 percent have professional degrees and 1.3 percent have doctorate degrees.

    -- 22.8 percent of company grade officers have advanced degrees; 16.5 percent have master's degrees, 5.9 percent have professional degrees and 0.3 percent have doctorate degrees.

    -- 85.4 percent of field grade officers have advanced degrees; 70.7 percent have master's degrees, 12.1 percent have professional degrees and 2.5 percent have doctorate degrees.

    -- 99.9 percent of the enlisted force have at least a high school education; 73.3 percent have some semester hours toward a college degree; 16.2 percent have an associate's degree or equivalent semester hours; 4.7 percent have a bachelor's degree; 0.7 percent have a master's degree and .01 percent have a professional or doctorate degree.
     
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    I believe you have it right.
     
  10. Not_hard_to_find

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    So much for an apology: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/kerry.remarks/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

    I think it may be similar to swift boat stuff -- Kerry messed up again. Don't believe there are any lies being reported about this mess, either.
     
  11. carpro

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    Finally some democrats react:

    http://www.tfponline.com/absolutenm/templates/breaking.aspx?articleid=6735&zoneid=41

    Ford asks Kerry to apologize

    Wednesday, November 01, 2006, at 9:41 a.m.

    By Andy Sher
    Nashville Bureau

    MEMPHIS — Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr. issued a statement this morning calling on U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., to apologize for comments that Republicans including President Bush contend disparage U.S. troops in Iraq.

    “Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said,” Rep. Ford said. “He needs to apologize to our troops.”


    http://www.eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5616595&nav=F2DO

    Iowa candidate asks Kerry to cancel campaign visit

    DES MOINES, Iowa A Democratic Congressional candidate from Iowa is canceling a campaign event later this week with Senator John Kerry.
    Brucy Braley says Kerry's recent comments about the Iraq war were inappropriate.

    Braley is running against Republican Mike Whalen in Iowa's First District congressional race. It's a contest considered to be one of the most competitive House races in the country.

    Braley's decision to distance himself from Kerry came as a furor grew from comments Kerry made about the Iraq War during a campaign stop in California on Monday.

    Kerry said if you make the most of your education, you "can do well." The Democrat went on to say that is you don't, (quote) "you get stuck in Iraq."

    The remarks prompted sharp criticism from some Republicans, including President Bush and Arizona Senator John McCain.

    Kerry refused to apologize.
     
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    Looks like the troops heard about it.





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    That is too funny! Doesn't look like the were insulted in the least little bit by his comments. :tongue3:
     
  14. tinytim

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    Sometimes it is possible to see Kerry's true thoughts when he speaks.

    I guess that is how Kerry got on the swift bote.
     
  15. tinytim

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    I'm not too sure about that, because some democrats running are distancing themselves from him.

    Some democrats are not as dumb as others.
     
  16. tinytim

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    I love how the political spin doctors are backpeddling...

    Kerry was supposed to say, "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."

    SURE!!!! uh huh...
     
  17. Magnetic Poles

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    None of us know what Sen. Kerry really meant to say.

    He should have defused it with a quick apology, regardless of his intent, he hurt some people with his comments. Then the GOP should be ashamed for trying to milk this to get Foley and the war off the headlines. A pox on all their houses.

    Criticize the Chicken-Hawk-In-Chief and his fellow Chicken-Hawks? Absolutely.
    Criticize the troops following their orders. Never!
     
  18. Not_hard_to_find

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    Appears Kerry is sufficiently secure to apologize:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061101/pl_nm/usa_elections_kerry_dc_5
     
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    It's like this, MP. Slash and burn, slash and burn, is all either of the major parties know how to do anymore. They wouldn't know a good policy idea if it bit them.
     
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    True, but Kerry is a little too arrogant for his political antenna to function properly.

    A quick apology and the Republicans look bad if they pursue it.

    Kerry chose the denial /cover up route. He and all the democrats that defend him look bad.

    Kerry is an idiot.

    We are so fortunate that treasonous fool is not president. God was watching out for us.
     
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