Kim Davis not exactly the poster girl for Godly marriage...

[Zaac]

The lady needs to follow the law or resign her office.

SSM is not a fundamental Gospel issue.

We are to be subject to the authorities over us and the SCOTUS has both the legal force and requisite means of enforcing their decision from several months ago. As Christians, our task is to obey the rulers over us unless they are asking us to violate a fundamental issue of the faith or violate ourselves morally. Mrs Davis needs to follow the law or resign.

This is not a states' rights issue. That has been resolved for several generations now too. Obviously the current state of our Federal government in relation to our state governments is askew from our Founders' intentions. Our Republic is a federally run state of federated states. When the SCOTUS makes a ruling with sweeping implications for all the states that becomes the law of the land.

To change that either requires a massive cultural revolution legislatively or other means. This isn't worth that effort.

And that's the crux of this.

And if what people say about her past is true, I would think she would be a bit more open to showing others the same type of grace God showed her when He forgave her.

Such a display could go a long way in leading some folks to or back to Christ.

 

[church mouse guy]

And that's the crux of this.

And if what people say about here past is true, I would think she would be a bit more open to showing others the same type of grace God showed her when He forgave her.

Such a display could go a long way in leading some folks to or back to Christ.

In 1856 you probably would have had the same message about being a good Christian and obeying the law of men.

 

[Zaac]

In 1856 you probably would have had the same message about being a good Christian and obeying the law of men.

God spoke to slavery. He didn't speak to a clerk issuing marriage certificates. She should do her job or resign.

And considering again, if what folks say is true, that if God was graceful enough to allow her to find her way to Him, perhaps she should extend that same grace to others.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The lady needs to follow the law or resign her office.

She is following the law. Kentucky state law does not recognize the homosexual redefinition of marriage.

We are to be subject to the authorities over us

I agree. However, under our system of government, the authorities over us are only valid inasmuch as they adhere to the Constitution. If they're not, then they're acting illegally and we have no obligation to obey them.

and the SCOTUS has both the legal force and requisite means of enforcing their decision from several months ago.

Not according to the Constitution.

As Christians, our task is to obey the rulers over us

Last time I checked, this was still America. Americans do not have rulers, Comrade.

unless they are asking us to violate a fundamental issue of the faith or violate ourselves morally.

Or unless they're violating the law or telling us to violate the law.

Mrs Davis needs to follow the law or resign.

She is.

This is not a states' rights issue. That has been resolved for several generations now too.

It has? Could you please show us where the 10th Amendment was repealed?

When the SCOTUS makes a ruling with sweeping implications for all the states that becomes the law of the land.

That's a lie. SCOTUS cannot make laws, legislate from the bench, or impose laws on states.

To change that either requires a massive cultural revolution legislatively or other means. This isn't worth that effort.

May posterity forget that you were our countryman, comrade. Honestly, when I read the bovine skubulon in your post, all I can hear is Merle Haggard singing, "...and I wonder just how long the rest of us can count on being free..."

 

[JohnDeereFan]

God spoke to slavery. He didn't speak to a clerk issuing marriage certificates. She should do her job or resign.

She is doing her job. Her job is to act according to Kentucky state laws, which do not recognize the homosexual redefinition of marriage.

Federal law trumps state law.

Not according to the Constitution.

The Constitution says that any power not granted to the federal government by the Constitution is reserved to the states.

The Constitution does not give the federal government the power to define or regulate marriage.

Therefore, it is reserved to the states.

She should do her job or resign. She knew part of her job was to issue marriage licenses when she accepted the position. Now she needs to either do the job she was hired for or resign.

She is doing her job: upholding Kentucky state laws.

 

[Zaac]

She is doing her job. Her job is to act according to Kentucky state laws, which do not recognize the homosexual redefinition of marriage.

Federal law trumps state law. She should do her job or resign. She knew part of her job was to issue marriage licenses when she accepted the position. Now she needs to either do the job she was hired for or resign.

 

[church mouse guy]

God spoke to slavery. He didn't speak to a clerk issuing marriage certificates. She should do her job or resign.

And considering again, if what folks say is true, that if God was graceful enough to allow her to find her way to Him, perhaps she should extend that same grace to others.

Typical leftist logic. Slavery and race are the only exceptions. All other causes such as abortion and sodomy are under the law of men.

 

[Zaac]

Typical leftist logic. Slavery and race are the only exceptions. All other causes such as abortion and sodomy are under the law of men.

Typical righty logic. If it doesn't look the way WE think it should look, then everybody else is wrong.

Probably why so many on the right display so little of the love of Christ.

 

[church mouse guy]

Here is what you are saying. No one has the right to challenge the law in a perfectly legal manner although Abraham Lincoln challenged Dred Scott instead of obeying as the majority thought at the time.

In the case of the lady in Kentucky, she is standing taller than Gov. Kasich of Ohio even though she lost her case and the Supreme Court ruling that s0d0my is natural remains.

 

[Zaac]

Here is what you are saying. No one has the right to challenge the law in a perfectly legal manner although Abraham Lincoln challenged Dred Scott instead of obeying as the majority thought at the time.

What i was saying is what I said. I don't need your help.:thumbsup:

In the case of the lady in Kentucky, she is standing taller than Gov. Kasich of Ohio even though she lost her case and the Supreme Court ruling that s0d0my is natural remains.

She is looking like the antithesis of what a Christian is supposed to be. If the government wants to issue marriage licenses to ss couples and has a legally binding reason for doing so, then let the government have what belongs to the government.

She needs to do her job or resign.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

She needs to do her job or resign.

Her job is to administrate the laws of Kentucky and Rowan County, neither of which recognize homosexual "marriage".

 

[Zaac]

Her job is to administrate the laws of Kentucky and Rowan County, neither of which recognize homosexual "marriage".

Her job subservients her to the laws of the country. If she can't abide, then she needs to resign.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Her job subservients her to the laws of the country.

It does not. She's a county clerk, not a federal clerk.

If she can't abide, then she needs to resign.

So, she should lose her job because you don't understand basic civics?

 

[salzer mtn]

There is an old saying, If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. She will know doubt pay the price for her convictions but this is only the beginning I believe of what is to come. When it comes your turn to stand for what is right, will you fold and make excuses or stand and be persecuted. It was against the law for John Bunyan to preach but he submitted himself to a higher law and preached anyway.

 

[kyredneck]

Rand Paul says KY clerk’s gay marriage protest is ‘part of the American way’

...and she has my admiration for it.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

There is an old saying, If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. She will know doubt pay the price for her convictions but this is only the beginning I believe of what is to come. When it comes your turn to stand for what is right, will you fold and make excuses or stand and be persecuted. It was against the law for John Bunyan to preach but he submitted himself to a higher law and preached anyway.

According to Zaac and others here, people had no right to defy Dred Scott, since they believe the SCOTUS made it the "law of the land".

 

[InTheLight]

Sounds like she's doing her job just fine. Her job is to uphold the laws of the state of Kentucky, which does not recognize the homosexual redefinition of marriage.

Yes, but SCOTUS has determined that since other states have enacted laws recognizing SSM that as part of the federal union Kentucky must recognize these people as being married when they are in Kentucky and thus under the supremacy clause of the US Constitution Kentucky must recognize SSM as the law of the land.

You must show that the state of Kentucky does not recognize SSM. It seems that they do recognize SSM.

Kentucky Gov.Beshear said Tuesday that the legislature can address the issue, if it chooses, when it convenes next year. "I see no need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money calling a special session of the General Assembly when 117 of 120 county clerks are doing their jobs."

Two other county clerks, like Davis, are also declining to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

So first show that Kentucky does not recognize SSM. Can you do that?

 

[Jerome]

I am curious. Does anyone know if, as clerk of her county, she responsible for the issuance of liquor licenses?

How about fortune tellers [witchcraft!] according to Kentucky Statute 231:

Any person who desires a permit to operate a place of entertainment outside the corporate limits of a city shall file an application with the county clerk.

"place of entertainment" means. . .any place having therein or thereon any person engaging in the practice of being a medium, clairvoyant, soothsayer, palmist, phrenologist, spiritualist, or like activity, or one who, with or without the use of cards, crystal ball, tea leaves, or any other object or device, engages in the practice of telling the fortune of another

 

[Tom Bryant]

Won't make much difference, but in reading what has been written, I think I was wrong previously concerning her need to do it or resign. I think she has to stand by her convictions and make them force her.

We would applaud a doctor who refuses to perform abortions regardless of the law. SSM is just as wrong as abortions. Her stand is courageous.

 

[Salty]

Yes, but SCOTUS has determined that since other states have enacted laws recognizing SSM that as part of the federal union Kentucky must recognize these people as being married when they are in Kentucky and thus under the supremacy clause of the US Constitution Kentucky must recognize SSM as the law of the land.

Does the same apply to firearm licenses / permits?