King James Bible vs New age versions

[Bro. Tim L. Bynum]

I recently posted a poll that quite frankly has
shocked me by the responce it has gotten. I want to write all that responded and tell them personally what I have found to be truth vs false,
but I`ll do it this way.
The view I posted would have been followed by
Amens in ALL the Independant Fundamental Baptist
Churches I`ve attended and I`d heard of Liberal
Baptist but I didn`t know how many they are,but
wide is the road that leads to destruction I guess.
Gail Riplinger has a book called "New Age Versions" that in depth uncovers Satan`s hand at
work in these so called bibles. Here are some out takes from her long list of verses that prove how
Satan just like rat poison has poisoned the bible
with other versions that clearly contradict the
true Wor of God...K.J.B.-it`s not a version !

The Antichrist and the dragon will set up his One World New Age Religion with the following:

Dan.3:25 a son of gods-KJB...Son of God
Omits...1st John 5:7
Omits...Rom. 11:6-"but if be of works then it
is no more grace"
Omits...Acts 8:37-"I believe that Jesus Christ
is the Son of God"
Omits...1st John 5:13-"and that ye may believe
on the name of the Son of God"
Isaiah 14:12-15- replaces the name Lucifer
with "morning star"

and so many more...denying the deity of Christ
the VIRGIN birth and turning salvation by grace
into a works salvation.
Please study it for yourself. Bobbed haired
bossy wives,women preachers and new age bibles,
I guess it wont stop until Jesus steps on the Mt.
of Olives...oh, I`m sorry that might not be in your so called bible either.Don`t let the god of
this world blind you and your children...REPENT!

 

[Johnv]

What's a "New Age" Bible? I'm not aware of any of the leading bibles being New Age. Maybe if they're read while listening to a Yanni CD, perhaps...

 

[BrianT]

I read New Age Bible Versions. Instead of just accepting her claims and conclusions, I tried to verify them for myself, and study each of her points a little deeper than she presented them. Prior to reading her book, I knew very little about the Bible version issue and nothing about KJV-onlyism. By the time I was finished the book and my accompanying research, I was vehemently opposed to KJV-onlyism and a vocal supporter of modern versions. Her scholarship and research is biased, deceptive and illogical. She misquotes, misrepresents and mishandles. Tabloid journalism at its best.

 

[rsr]

This thread is not a poll; the Translations forum is the appropriate place for this discussion.

 

[donnA]

Wheres the poll?

 

[tinytim]

Gail Riplinger is a liar and all that follow her is being misled.

Anyone that equates their own book with the canon of Scripture cannot be believed.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by donnA:
Wheres the poll?

For what little it is
worth, it is over here:
That there poll ...

 

[Craigbythesea]

Satan just like rat poison has poisoned the bible with other versions that clearly contradict the true Wor of God...K.J.B.-it`s not a version!

Some time ago, over a period of several months, I regularly attended an “Independent Fundamental Baptist Church.” I learned that the pastor had not spent so much as one hour in a Bible college or seminary, and that he had never read even one sentence in the Bible. He had read parts of the King James translation of the Bible, but he had never even made an attempt to learn how to read the Bible itself even though he was responsible for pasturing a very large congregation. Jack Hyles and other prominent so-called Independent Fundamental Baptist ministers were guest speakers at that “church” and I learned than not even one of them had ever made an attempt to learn how to read anything but the King James translation of the Bible. The pastor very seldom even mentioned the New Testament and preached almost exclusively from the historical books in the Old Testament. He apparently knew nothing at all about Biblical typology and simply preached the Old Testament as history. Although this “church” was in a very large city with many hundreds of churches, including at least several “Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches,” the pastor of this “church” frequently expressed, while in the pulpit, doubts that any of the other pastors in the city were saved. This “church” had it own private school, K-12, and its own so-called Bible Institute, and it actively discouraged the congregation from getting an education anywhere else. None of the teachers in the so-called Bible Institute had any knowledge at all of either Greek or Hebrew and none of them had ever been to any kind of a Bible college. This “Bible Institute” offered only one major—Biblical ignorance.

Any demon from hell can start a “church” and call it an “Independent Fundamental Baptist Church,” but that does not mean that is really a Baptist church. Dunking people under water does not make a “church” Baptist. This particular “church” was not “Independent.” To the contrary, it was DEPENDENT upon lies and distortions about the Bible, Bible translations, and Bible scholars. It was, however, Fundamental—it was fundamentally wicked, constantly speaking lies about the Bible, Bible translations, and Bible scholars. But was it a “Baptist Church”? I don’t believe that it was. I believe that it was a pseudo-Christian cult not at all unlike the Watchtower Society full of thoroughly brainwashed people who believed only what they were brainwashed to believe. I never saw even a hint of saving faith in any of them. They believed some things about Jesus and God and they could quote verses from the King James Version of the Bible, but a voluntary faith in Christ could not be found in any of them. Brain-washed belief does not constitute faith, and no one is saved by works.

I believe that it is time for true Baptists to draw a line between those who are Christians saved by faith, and those who are brain-washed to believe the teachings of their cult.

 

[Walls]

Hey there Graig! I just might be familiar with that church. There are alot of IFB churches that practice what you described. I think you have to be very cautious and fully check out a church before you become a member or even remotely try to follow after them.

 

[mioque]

Brother Tim
As long as this whole King James thing stays convined to the English speaking Christian world it is none of my bussines.
The moment people start demanding I (for whom English is a second language to begin with) learn 'Shakespearian' English to read the Bible the fighting starts.
There are some very nice translations available in Dutch (and German and French and Italian etc.) thank you very much.
In fact I'll go so far that I know of a Dutch Bible (the States Bible) that judged by the standards normally used to pronounce the KJB the best Bible in the world is actually better than the KJB.

 

[Bro. Tim L. Bynum]

What really bothers me,is I dare say not one of those liberal,NIV toten rascals ever looked up
one of those scriptures and compared it side by
side with The King James Bible,(The Bible This
Nation Was Founded On),and prayed asking God to
reveal to them the truth.You know why they didn`t
cause they have s spirit of rebellion...that`s the Hebrew word pronounced "mer-ee" , found in
1st Sam. 15:23!
No wonder the sodomites,women preachers and
Rock-n-Roll music is coming into the church...
there is no POWER because we`ve rejected and
thrown behind our back the True Word of God...
The King James Bible...KJB...IT`S NOT A VERSION
OF THE BIBLE,IT IS THE BIBLE!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Edited by poster to delete post

 

[Archippus]

No wonder I stay out of this forum
Altough if it weren't so sad one would think that it was funny!

 

[Bro. Tim L. Bynum]

There might not be any fellowship here for
real Independant Fundamental Bible Believing
Baptist, but ther`s plenty at Baptist-City.com
where Christians aren`t persucuted for believing
The King James Bible is THE Word of God and ALL
others are perverted and corrupted devil sent
versions straight out of HELL !!!

 

[Orvie]

Originally posted by Bro. Tim L. Bynum:
There might not be any fellowship here for
real Independant Fundamental Bible Believing
Baptist, but ther`s plenty at Baptist-City.com
where Christians aren`t persucuted for believing
The King James Bible is THE Word of God and ALL
others are perverted and corrupted devil sent
versions straight out of HELL !!!

Methinketh tim represents the Nehushtan sect well (2 Kgs 18:4)..."by their fruits you will know them" Poor timmie would be in huge trouble if he lived in 1610, or couldn't speak English. Methinketh if timmie stays around anytime and braves the impending storm, he'll realize that he post(s) exemplyfies a sect.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Bro. Tim L. Bynum:
...where Christians aren`t persucuted for believing The King James Bible is THE Word of God and ALL others are perverted and corrupted devil sent versions straight out of HELL !!!

Persecuted?

 

[Bro. Tim L. Bynum]

The bible says in Matthew 5:18..one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law
(BIBLE),til all be fulfilled.
How can ANY version that removes thousands
of words and whole verses,(Acts 8:37...niv) be considered God`s Word.
That`s simple...They are NOT God`s Word...
They are man`s words produced by men bound
with a spirit of Rebellion...Proverbs 17:11.


Study Before You Type.

 

[robycop3]

Originally posted by Bro. Tim L. Bynum:

"Gail Riplinger has a book called "New Age Versions" that in depth uncovers Satan`s hand at
work in these so called bibles. Here are some out takes from her long list of verses that prove how
Satan just like rat poison has poisoned the bible
with other versions that clearly contradict the
true Wor of God...K.J.B.-it`s not a version !"

Then please explain to us why a translation in English of the Bible which had existed some 1500 years before that translation was made, should not be called a version. It's not the original Scriptures, you know. The originals were NOT in English. In fact, English didn't even exist at the times God gave man His word.

"The Antichrist and the dragon will set up his One World New Age Religion with the following:

Dan.3:25 a son of gods-KJB...Son of God
Omits...1st John 5:7
Omits...Rom. 11:6-"but if be of works then it
is no more grace"
Omits...Acts 8:37-"I believe that Jesus Christ
is the Son of God"
Omits...1st John 5:13-"and that ye may believe
on the name of the Son of God"
Isaiah 14:12-15- replaces the name Lucifer
with "morning star"

Every one of these examples has been thoroughly discusses umpteen times on this board alone. In fact, we just concluded a discussion on "Lucifer vs morning star". Rather than bore everyone else with the details of the discussions of each of these verses, may I suggest you visit the archives of this board? And let me close the mention of these verses with one question-What thinkest thou of this marginal note in the AV 1611 for Isaiah 14:12-"Or,O day starre"?

"and so many more...denying the deity of Christ
the VIRGIN birth and turning salvation by grace
into a works salvation."

Sorry, Sir, that's NOT in any valid Bible. What you've listed are the works of MAN in twisting Scripture to fit his various evil agendae. Anyone can twist any Scripture to fit any false doctrine.I need not go into detail about how "Thou shalt not kill" from the KJV has been misused, especially in the light that the very next chapter prescribes the DEATH PENALTY for certain sins/crimes.


"Please study it for yourself. Bobbed haired"

Please post chapter & verse where that's a sin!

"bossy wives,"
SARAH was bossy at times. And evidently you're not married, or you'd know marriage is a PARTNERSHIP, not a master/slave arrangement


"women preachers"

Deborah led all Israel for years, while also being a wife, mother, & prophetess. Abd we need not bore everyone with the many stories of women of God in the NT.


"and new age bibles,"

Please give us some examples of New Age Bibles. To qualify as an NAB they must tell us that God is merely a Force such as that in "Star Wars", and that each of us is part of the Cosmic Consciousness, and so are all animals, insects, fish, & protozoans,for starters.

I COULD conclude by simply saying anyone who believes a word Riplinger writes has rocks in his/her head, but now that wouldn't be PROOF that The Rippers's books are full of garbage, would it? So instead, allow me to direct your attention to a scathing review of her work by a rabid KJVOer-David Cloud.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/newage.htm

I suggest you take the time to look up each of the facts Cloud points out about Riplinger's work for yourself, rather than just taking it at face value. That should be much more convincing for you to see "who's lyin' & who's truthin'"

 

[robycop3]

Originally posted by Bro. Tim L. Bynum:
The bible says in Matthew 5:18..one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law
(BIBLE),til all be fulfilled.
How can ANY version that removes thousands
of words and whole verses,(Acts 8:37...niv) be considered God`s Word.
That`s simple...They are NOT God`s Word...
They are man`s words produced by men bound
with a spirit of Rebellion...Proverbs 17:11.


Study Before You Type.

The world breathlessly awaits your newly-discovered PROOF that these BVs you castigate have actually omitted material that should've been left in, and that the KJV hasn't ADDED material that should've been left out. Methinks you've been reading too much fiction...

 

[dianetavegia]

in the preface to the 1611 version (the Preface and the Apocrypha which they translated have both been omitted from most copies of the KJV today), they clearly disclaim that their translation was the only Word of God. There were already several English translations in existence and being used in England, America, and other countries. Some of these were Wycliffe (1380), Tyndale (1525-30), Coverdale (1535), Matthew’s Bible (1537), Great Bible (1540), Geneva Bible (1560), and Bishop’s Bible (1568).

In the preface titled, “The Translators to The Reader,” was written:

“... We do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest [most common, lowest quality] translation of the Bible in English … containeth the Word of God, nay, is the Word of God. … We are so far off from condemning any of their labors that prevailed before us [previous translators of previous versions] in this kind, either in this land or beyond sea … that we acknowledge them to have been raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posterity in everlasting remembrance. … Truly (good Christian reader) we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one … but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principle good one …”

The 1611 original had numerous margin notes that offer different possible translations of words and phrases. The translators wrote in the preface:

“Some peradventure would have no variety of senses to be set in the margin, less the authority of the Scriptures for deciding of controversies by that show of uncertainty, should somewhat be shaken. But we hold their judgment not to be so sound in this point. … It hath pleased God in his divine providence, here and there to scatter words and sentences of that difficulty and doubtfulness. … Variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded. …We have not tied ourselves to a uniformity of phrasing, or to an identity of words, as some peradventure would wish that we had done. …Why should we be in bondage to them [words or syllables] if we may be free, use one precisely when we may use another no less fit, as commodiously? …We have … avoided the scrupulosity of the Puritans.”

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/kjvonly.htm