King James I: A Homosexual?

Its one thing to have a political figure give his authorisation to a nation's effort to produce a common Bible, but it is another to have someone like Mollenkott on a tanslating committee, don't you agree? Surely when it comes to handling the Word of God we should at least expect that those translating it have some degree of reverence for the task and are committed to obeying the truth as it is revealed?

I don't mean to get off topic, but this statement kinda threw me!.

As for King James being a homosexual or not I cannot say. I heard a preacher make this charge this past weekend in an effort to slight the KJV. Thankfully King James had no responsibility for the actual translating work of the version, and so his sexual practices had no bearing upon its outcome, or credibility as a translation.

 

The KJV is solidly good, especially if you read it along with all the Strong's Concordance numbering. James I may have authorized the version, but he did none of the actual translation. So, he may have influenced the overall process, but he didn't participate directly (to my knowledge).

I do believe that the early Puritan Pilgrims who came here, however, came with the 1599 Geneva Bible and its famous Geneva Bible Commentary. The Puritans were actually deeply disatisfied with the 1611 translation, which is why they brought the 1599 Geneva Bibles with them to America in the 1620s-40s as they escaped the Anglican tyranny. Note that the Pilgrims were Calvinists, and Geneva was the Calvinist HQ, the "Protestant Rome".

So, if you want to be an authentic Cromwellian Puritan Pilgrim, you would prefer the Geneva translation to the 1611 AV. But I would say that the 1611AV + Strong's numbering (and doing some "Strong's Gymnastics" on your own) is about as good as you can get without learning Greek and Hebrew.

Afterwrit:

James I was a flagrant homosexual, who famously said (referring to John 13:25, 21:20), "Jesus had his John, I have my George [Villiers]". Villiers was reputedly the lover of James' son Charles I, too, "like father like son".

The uprising of the Protestant Puritans under Oliver "Ironsides" Cromwell against the monarchy was AngloSaxon England telling the world, "Uhhh, umm, like... like a homosexual queer really is not the alpha-wolf, the toughest of the tough, in England, we know you thought so, but see it aint so."

No one can deny that the beheading of the homosexual Charles I in 1649 was Puritan England telling the world that the Law (specifically, Leviticus 20:13) was indeed applicable to everyone in England, that no mortal man was "above the Law of God" in Puritan England's Republican Commonwealth.

That was back in the day when England was a military superpower, when the alpha-wolf of the land earned the nickname "Ironsides" by crushing his foes in battle, and when a Witchfinder General (named Matthew Hopkins) scoured the land, rooting out Leftist liberal ne'er-do-wells.

Today, America is home to the queer capital of the world (San Francisco), our leader is publically mocked by his wife as a "male horse milker" and has invited "Sir" Elton John and his gay male lover to an overnight in the Lincoln Bedroom, it loses its wars to halves of third world nations (North Korea, North Vietnam, Iraq which is half of Ba'athist controlled Iraq-Syria), and prefers "religious tolerance" to evil terrible horrible Witchfinder Generals.

Things are better today, aren't they?

 

Cite Gonzales' sources for his statement that "King James was indeed a homosexual". Ususally they are based on heresay and no sources are attributed. These are ad hominem attacks made by those who want to try to insult and agitate those who revere and believe that the KJV is the best translation. The gay crowd especially likes to make a big deal out of this and will make statements like "Thank a gay for your Bible". It is the same crowd who try to tell us that David and Jonathon had a homosexual relationship and the Hebrew and Greek maunscripts don't condemn homosexuality and that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their inhospitality.

 

I don't know if anyone here is married and has teenage daughter but my dauther saw the title and caused an uproar my wife Selena did not like it either. We sat dowhn with our daughter and went over ,she a friend asked her where her bible was sunday and told her the bible was written by a homosexual. My wife and I went over this with her and called the other parents. Our home study just had a teaching on homosexual takeover and how it suttleling taking over and I thought the rules were no promotion of homosexual life at the study the homosexual will attack prominet christianity and leaders such as abraham lincoln.

I am trying to raise my teenagers the best way and my wife to but she thought this place could be viewed by our childeren and would be okay do not mean to be hard.

Could things like this be taken to a private room and your friends can discuss it there. good news my daughter is clear about her King James bible and like teens they over do things.

My wife just told me this has a spelling correction I will do better , will write again
does anyone else have teenagers who are getting attacked by homosexual suttle
takeover of our churches. thanks Xavier

I tried yesterday to write but could not come to this area.

 

Did the kids look like the mailman?

 

You don't want your teenage daughter to ask and study legitimate historical questions?

I have not seen anything inappropriate here in this thread.

 

I've worked with teenagers for over 20 years now. If you're daughter is in her teens, then IMO she should know...

• There are people out there who have traded God's wiring--an affection for the opposite sex--for a perverted one.
• They should be able to not just say, "It's a sin," but explain why it is a sin. In their future, they will have to be able to contend for the faith, and give an answer to anyone who asks regarding their hope they have.
• I'm not trying to argue your point regarding a "homosexual takeover." There's some of that in our very left-wing denoms. But I don't see any Bible-believing Baptist churches going that direction.
• King James didn't write the KJV, so gay or not, that accusation is just silly.
• I think this thread's contributors by and large have done well to avoid sallacious details that could have come up. Very, very few kids have made it to their teen years without hearing about gays, the gay lifestyle, "tolerance," etc. Is that a good thing? Nope. But, we as parents and others who lead our kids should be ready to tell them the truth. And that can be done without being vulgar, gross, or disrespectful.

God's blessings as you raise your teenage daughter. May she, through God's strength, do great things for the Kingdom.

 

And this debate kind of spins its wheels at this point. KJVO's have held up James as a defense of their position. MVists have put him down as a defense of their's. Niether holds water, since James had very little to do with the actual translation.

 

I highly agree with you.

The sad thing is that we are not trying to study the history of King James I; but, in reality the point is to tie this together with the King James Version of the Bible (for good or bad). This is sad. Are we discussing Henry the eight's preferences? No, because he had nothing to do with the KJV.

Mind you, I am NOT KJVO, but the whole discussion tends to lean one way or the other, so let's be honest why we are discussing King James' sexual orientations.

 

iespell check is now able to help me, sorry for the wait

Thankyou to all from my wife who understand about my teenage daughter and she is newly teen. My wife just wanted you to know that she felt the title was meant to shock and lead people into strife about a person and strife all we know as my teenager an innocent view person only reacted to the title and like I said before we guided her through and the other church kids daughter who seemed to have got a kick (teens over do it) out of it. My wife wants to know why this shock subject could not be taken to a private place for those who want to talk about a persons homosexuality and that way innocent people would not feel the strife.

Thank you all for your kind words but I think this place is no place for my teens so we are forbiding her from viewing anymore we have found another place for her as we are new to having Internet in our home.

Why not start a more positive subject instead of calling someone a homosexual who is attached to a bible which causes confusion and strife.



my wife wants to join she works with computers more at her job for Wal-Mart

 

This discussion, including its title, has been pretty tame. Stick around...you'll see much worse.