Kingdom Theology

[tyndale1946]

Try to grasp this.

“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.” 2 Samuel 7:12 (KJV 1900)

Jesus reigns from David's throne now, before David's resurrection on the last day. But only the born again can see it by faith.

“Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.” Ephesians 1:20–23 (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

Brother Glen

 

[AustinC]

Your opinion, but not that of the theologians I've quoted. (And I could quote more.)

You quote dispensationalists. Of the primary source documents you quoted, only one person actually comes close to your position. Feel free to share primary source documents from the early church where they actually consider two separate kingdoms where one lasts for 1000 years and the other lasts for eternity. So far you have maybe one.

 

[percho]

David's Throne IS God's throne.

“Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.” 1 Kings 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.” 1 Chronicles 29:23 (KJV 1900)

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.” Revelation 3:21 (KJV 1900)

“And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.” 1 Chronicles 28:5 (KJV 1900)

“Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be king for the LORD thy God: because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever, therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.” 2 Chronicles 9:8 (KJV 1900)

“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:” Revelation 22:1–3 (KJV 1900)

“To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.” Revelation 3:21 (KJV 1900)

Tell me a little about this verse, especially about the tenses of the two underlined.

What thrones are these, relative to the throne of David and the throne of God. Where is Jesus sitting today, 5/6/2021?

 

[percho]

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. Dan 2:44,45

Is that kingdom, the kingdom of God.
Is that kingdom, the kingdom of God's Son?
Come to pass? Where?

Is the same kingdom spoken of in Daniel 7? What kingdom? Whom all are the rulers of that kingdom? Is eternal life in incorruptible body required to be a ruler of that/those kingdom/kingdoms?

Is Jesus of Nazareth presently sitting on the right hand of the Father in the Father's throne awaiting for something to take place?

Waiting for what?

 

[thomas15]

Wrong because you say so? Jesus says you are wrong as does the historic Church.

You might consider looking into a mirror when you accuse me of a lack of understanding. I get my theology from the actual Bible, it appears you get yours from the creeds and the theologians. It matters little to me what the church at large thinks because that church from about 500 AD to 1500 AD inflicted much damage by insisting that it was the kingdom Jesus is talking about in Scripture.

Do I think I have it 100% correct? No, but if you want to change my mind on this matter you are going to have to do a little bit better than insisting by simple force of will that you have it 100% correct.

 

[JonC]

It's because there is no Millennium. It's a Pharisee doctrine that does not come from scripture. No translation mentions it but most reject Jesus' gospel of the kingdom and believe the Pharisee version instead.

I do not think it is fair to say "no translation" as the KJV, NKJV, NASB, HCSB, NIV, ESV and NET all mention the millennium.

You need to return your Bible for a refund and purchase one of those I mentioned.

Once you do let us know and then we can discuss different interpretations. But as long as you have a "bible" that fails to mention the millennium you cannot discuss interpretation with those who have real Bibles.

 

[Salty]

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