KJV Onlyest 1611 Psalm 12:7 note, question.

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Psalm 12:6-7, The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve *them from this generation for ever.

1611*note: them Heb. him, i.e. every one of them

Question, how does the Hebrew "him" refer to God's word in verse 6?

Wanted, KJVONLYISM explanation.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

I don't count, as being a KJB Apologist and not one DNA cell of me is KJVO, but I like to post, so here's my take on it.

Question, how does the Hebrew "him" refer to God's word in verse 6?

Bold Red would be The Bible and Bold Purple is for the "him"s the Psalmist has been talking about.

The first word "them" in verse 7, would refer to God's Word.

The second word "them' in verse 7, would refer to "them", meaning 'the poor', 'the needy',
and the 'him's the Lord Will Set 'in safety'.


5 "For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD;
I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him."

6 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times".

7 "Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve "them" from this generation forever."

= "them", meaning 'the poor', 'the needy', and the 'him's the Lord Will Keep 'in safety'

also:

7 "Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve "him" from this generation forever."

= "him", meaning 'the poor', 'the needy', and the 'him's the Lord Will Keep 'in safety'

So, the second "them" in verse 7, is already approprite to be referring to "them" men,
with "them", meaning 'the poor', 'the needy', and the 'him's the Lord Will Keep 'in safety'
which could generically be spoken as "him" = "them".
...

Otherwise, in verse 7, you would have a redundancy with "keep them|" and "preserve them".

7 "Thou shalt keep/preserve them, O LORD, thou shalt keep/preserve "them" from this generation forever."

When, that wording would have been done like this, instead.

7 "Thou shalt keep and preserve them, O LORD, from this generation forever."
...

If we say that the Lord will "preserve him" from this generation forever,"
the Lord is going to Accomplish that by using:
6; "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times"

and 7 "Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, which means God's Word will be right there along with "them"/ "him",
in order for the Lord to also 7; "preserve them", 5; "'the poor', 'the needy', and the 'him's the Lord Will Keep 'in safety'

 

[JD731]

Psalm 12:6-7, The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve *them from this generation for ever.

1611*note: them Heb. him, i.e. every one of them

Question, how does the Hebrew "him" refer to God's word in verse 6?

Wanted, KJVONLYISM explanation.

The Psalm should be considered in this break down.

1 ¶ «To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David.» Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.


3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?


5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.


6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

The first him in V 5 and the third him is the poor and needy, converted Jews, a collective among the Jews. The second him is also a collective who is led by an individual whose character appears and is described several times in the Psalms and Prophets as a loud mouthed and proud blasphemer and who leads a coalition of nations during the last 42 months of the tribulation in an attempt to destroy the people of Israel. However he gains his position initially with flatteries.

The key verse in this psalm for understanding it is Verse 5. Ignore it and there is no hope in understanding it.

This Psalm, as all Psalms are prophesies and David was called a prophet by the KJV Bible.

The KJV only believers are generally wrong about this Psalm as far as I can tell. However, they are not corrected with those who use the new easy readers.

 

[JD731]

WOW! There seems to be no interest in the topic presented here so if you don't mind I will just comment on the Psalm as a KJV only believer since it generates so much heat. My understanding of this Psalm has nothing to do with the preservation of the KJV itself as many KJV only believers insist, but rather, the preservation of the people of God, the remnant of Israel in a particular point in history. It is prophetic and it follows a theme in the Psalms that is connected to 12 more Psalms by the language of Ps 12:5.

It is interesting that the key verse in this Psalm is verse 5. This is when God takes full charge over his people and the government of the earth by rescuing the "poor and needy" (another name for the Jewish remnant) from the man who puffeth at them and is near to destroying them. The number 12 is the number God uses in connection with his own government and the number 5 is his number he connects with his attribute of grace. This makes this deliverance a logical placement as God takes control and gives them something they have not earned. The numerical system that God has established and faithfully maintains throughout his whole Bible is crucial for us to have a handle on for the purpose of sound doctrine. It is a gracious act of God to return in the nick of time to deliver his faithful remnant of his people before they are completely annihilated.

Now, this Psalm 12 is a prayer to God and it is the same prayer and represents the same desperate circumstance that the remnant finds themselves in in the other 12 Psalms in this theme. It is for deliverance that only God can bring. All hope in the devices of men have been taken away at this point. The difference of this Psalm and the other 12 is that in Psa 12:5, God answers the prayer in a single verse. "I will," he says. The prayer for deliverance is in the other Psalms but the LORD is silent and does not answer. Here he does.

There is much doctrine in this Psalm 12. Only people who identifies with a WORD Bible need apply for understanding Those of you who believes the words in the KJV and the placement of verse and chapter divisions are random and circumstantial and are not part of the divine instruction will never have the light that shines from this group of Psalms.

I may come back and give you the other Psalms and demonstrate how I learned these things by paying attention to words and the numerical structure and the metaphorical value of the numbers and words to arrive at my conclusions.

 

[Dr. Bob]

I may come back and give you the other Psalms and demonstrate how I learned these things by paying attention to words and the numerical structure and the metaphorical value of the numbers and words to arrive at my conclusions.

Start a thread. It will probably generate even less interest than this thread if KJVonly mentality is evident. Most of us just feel sorrow for the divisive impact of that sect and attack on the inspired Word of God by them.

 

[JD731]

Start a thread. It will probably generate even less interest than this thread if KJVonly mentality is evident. Most of us just feel sorrow for the divisive impact of that sect and attack on the inspired Word of God by them.

I said a few words about Psa 12 but did not intend for it to be an attack. Where do you think I attacked it by what I said?

 

[JD731]

The Psalmist David is prophetically describing a period of time we now know is 7 years long called "the time of Jacob's trouble. The believing remnant is very poor and needy because of the mark that is required by the wicked governor we now know as the antichrist in order to conduct commerce during these days. The relationship of God to this remnant is to be absent from the earth and he is not hearing their prayers. It is like he is asleep and the remnant are on their own.

The reason the righteous has failed from among the children of men is because of the rapture of the church of Jesus Christ. It is the only time in the history of the world that not a single justified believer is alive on the earth. This condition will prevail for a short spell. A quick note; at the end of this period there will not be a single unjustified believer left on the earth. This condition will prevail for a short time.

At the rapture of the church all believers will be taken. God will then send his two witnesses, Moses and Elijah to preach the gospel of the kingdom, at which time 144,000 Jewish men will be saved and will go two by two to preach to all the world. Many millions will be saved but a great number of them will perish for refusing the mark.

One will not see the church of Jesus Christ in the OT because God did not make it known to the prophets but that is the why of Psa 12:1.

Psa 12:1 Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

A prayer!
Psalm 44:23
Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Mark 4:38
And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?