KJVO = Liberalism??

Why would I not have asked? There are many who believe that the KJV is the only version and all other versions are wrong. I wanted to qualify your responses with your belief, that's all. I didn't want to jump to conclusions. Thank you for you response.

 

Moderator note:
The tenor of this thread has become nothing but attacks and counter-attacks on both sides, if this continues it will be closed.
Roger
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Moderator

 

Lacy,

Your false doctrine that many Christians, including born-again Baptists, will spend 1,000 years in hell disqualifies you from being either a Baptist or a conservative, and the word “liberal” doesn’t begin to describe how far away your beliefs are from the Christian faith.

 

A cardinal tenet of liberal theology and epistemology is that logic and faith are mutually exclusive.

The KJVO's on this very forum agree with this. Therefore, they espouse an epistemologically liberal view of the relationship between faith and logic. They prove this by their constant use of logical fallacies of argumentation. The entire KJVO postion is circular on its face. It can not be argued successfully without assuming the truth of its position and arguing for it.

By appealing to a translation of the Word of God as an absolute authority, they invest their faith in the principle of Sola Ecclesia, not Sola Scriptura. This is Rome's view of authority, not Geneva's. KJVOnlyism runs counter to one of the cardinal principles of the Protestant Reformation.

By appealing to their experience and God's "inner voice" that tells them that the KJV is God's only valid Word for English speaking people, they are no different than the neo-orthodox and classic liberals, not to mention Mormons.

On the contrary, you quote Scripture but use your experience to interpret it. You do not exegete the Scripture. Your authority is yourself, not Scripture when you do this.

Again, no interaction with What Dr. Bob wrote.

Same answer

It limits the words of God to a translation, however. You can not trust MV's, because, in your view, they are NOT God's words. Your belief is circular and, by definition, question begging.

Craig, for once, you and I completely and unequivocally agree! AMEN!

 

If the KJOists would be denied the privilege of posting in Baptist-only forums, we would not have the Christian obligation to attack their lies and the Baptist-only forums could become a refuge for the weary instead of a suburb of Baghdad.

 

One basic foundational Baptist distinctive is Soul Liberty. While I agree that we should be "Standing up for the truth and boldly speaking against the lies from hell." I also believe that youre other statements are much too strong and lacking of grace.

Our convictions are just as strong as yours. We feel that those who believe that there are no inspired, extant scriptures are in grave error. IMHO, Autograph Onlyism is the father of everything evil in the church.

You know my position on respecting moderators. I whole-heartedly agree with your statement. However, when a person in authority over a debate forum uses his position to try to silence or intimidate those he disagrees with, it is wrong.

Lacy

 

ROGER...I'm personally begging you....PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD...the tone of it on both sides..(and most of you know what side I take)..is awful.I've seen and heard LOST PEOPLE that show a more gracious spirit than what I see here.Plus...it breaks my heart that anybody would presume to call me or anybody that believes the book and has trusted the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Blood Atonement for sin for their salvation a heretic by any stretch of the imagination.Call me "only" or "preferred" or whatever...but I believe the KJV IS the Word of God.I'll STAND THERE!PLEASE CLOSE THIS THING!!!

Greg Sr.

 

No, the Christian solution is to limit the posting in Baptist-only forums to Baptists. Simply doing that will be taking a stand for what it means to be a Baptist and bring the peace of Christ to these forums.

 

I will allow this thread to run onto the 5 page limit. This is in no wise an edifying thread as yy brother Perry points out above.

Advance notice is given - it will be closed when it reaches five pages.

 

This already IS the ruling.

 

As Baptists we beleive in soul-liberty. I will NOT deny my brother or sister in Christ the right to be identified as Baptist simply because they take a strong stand on the versions debate.

Now, if they say that using a certain version is a requirement for salvation we would have a point to refuse posting rights.

 

Craig...regardless of your "opinion",which I am willing to respect regardless of whether you respect mine/ours or not,I am a Bible Believing Baptist and as far as I can determine most everybody else is as well.It is somewhat not so funny that you would try to get us banned in here when you were so adammant,"peace" notwithstanding in the creation threads regarding your "non-literal" views of the Genesis account of creation.Many in here might see THAT as heresy and definitely NOT Baptistic.This IS my last entry in THIS thread.I'm done.

Greg Sr.

 

Excellent point Greg. Often "heresy is in the eye of the beholder."

 

I don't. I believe this is an accusation on your part, not a statement of fact. Please offer proof of the statement.

That is an upside down argument. I believe I have inspired "scripture". Do you? I believe that I can approach the scripture alone with out a human mediator/Priest of "autograph Onlyism" to tell me what it "really says" Eclessia indeed. I'm the one who refutes the notion that a special, highly trained, group of elites must hold the truth for me. Do you?

See above.

You do exactly that with the closed canon and the "Exclusive Inspiredness" of the autographs. I trust no such "inner voice", at least not blindly. I follow an unprecedented trail of fruit that leads to the KJV.

My authority is the Word. Plain and simple. IMHO, what you call "exegesis", often, is at best trying to reinvent the wheel and at worst presumptuous correcting/adding to/taking away from the Word.

I can hold my authority in my hand. Is your authority extant?

I believe the MVs contain God's words. I believe some MVs are "reliable", some are less reliable. I don't believe any MV is perfect. They all contain mistakes.

Oh My! I believe that same thing about the MVs as you do!


Lacy

 

I do not believe that Roger is going to allow that to happen.

 

We have had 5 pages of waiting for fruitful discussion.

Try it again on another thread if you wish.