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You missed again, and misrepresent matters by accusing me. </font>[/QUOTE]I really don't think so Bob aka Polycarp aka Muskeegetter. He has pretty much nailed the methods you used here:

http://pub76.ezboard.com/fav1611godswordfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=835.topic &start=1&stop=20

Except you haven't accused Pastor Larry of being unsaved because he disagrees with you yet.

Other than that, your methods don't seem to have changed much at all. You refuse to deal with facts preferring to argue personalities, misapply scripture, attack your opponents personally, twist others words, etc.</font>[/QUOTE]Scott, it was Larry that should have stated his position, if he were interested in clearing up and showing why he made the charge against me. It was not for me to "do my homework" but it was for Larry to state his position. That's all I have to say about that.

As for the charges you made against me, on Baptist Board, the posts are available for any that want to read and honestly evaluate. The posts of mine in this Bible Versions / Translations forum between December 2002 – January 2003 speak for themselves.

As for factual answers, with my position it is not needful for me to search out and identify for the critics the places where there are clear contradictions from the NA27, Robinson-Pierpont Majority 1995, Friburg UBS 3/4, Tischendorf NT 8th, Westcott & Hort NT, etc. plus a host of conflicting English versions and say, “Yep, there is a difference so it doesn't agree with my Bible.” I don’t use chicken bones tossed on the ground to settle on a reading, and I don’t use tea leaves to decide what I should read and count as true from a variety of conflicting readings from day to day. I have an authoritative Bible, and I don’t count contradictions to it as true. I quote the Bible.

Getting all intellectual and scholarly referring to the sources that do not agree with my Bible will not change a thing. We simply are not saying the same thing and we use words that mean one thing to one person and something different to another person.

But Scott, I’m sorry to see you are laboring under the notion you think you must draw other message board posts in to stir people up against me. Actually Scott, my posting enflames certain people by itself so your efforts to get others stirred up against me is not really necessary. Of course if you have nothing better to do, I hope you are enjoying yourself.

Others here on Baptist Board have labored to stir people up against me as well, and it seems such a vain thing.

My own posts right here on Baptist Board, that have been made by me between December 2002 - January 2003 stir people up. Read them and see. You don’t need to expend energy by dragging the other message board in. Of course if you have nothing better to do, I hope you are enjoying yourself.

There are certain people here that really have a problem with what I say, and have made that very clear previous. Such things caused very much trouble. Some of the ones posting here were claiming what I publish on my web site is religious dribble, referring to me as ignorant, cultic, a heretic, schismatic, divisive, drug influenced, and such like. And it is not as if I always replied to such things as I would have liked. That was then, and this is now. But the point is, those that say such things are certainly not the sort I would trust or recommend to others.

I had hoped such foolish things were over here at Baptist Board. I do know some of those that have said those things meant to harm me still post here, but I expected such things were over. Perhaps you hope to get nerve up to do such things here, or get others to say such things? I hope not, for your own sake.

There are those that post here that I have warned others about. Those that refer to me as a publisher of religious dribble, refer to me as ignorant, cultic, a heretic, schismatic, divisive, drug influenced, I simply do not count as an old friend. I warn people about specific things, but some get confused and are not able to discern between one thing and another and image such warnings apply to each and every person here. I have those that post here I consider personal friends. I’m certainly not warning people about them. Others that post here have not expended efforts in hopes of harming me or enflaming me, and have conducted themselves in a manner exhibiting grace.

As for those I would count friends, I don’t like to have them identified because of the childish ones that like to name call and stir up trouble. It’s like the other message board you want to drag in here. Some from here have sent their friends over there to harass. It seems to me Christians would have better things to do with there time.

In any case, you haven’t shocked me and have not enflamed me.

 

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

Scott, I’m really sorry to see you are so upset at what I have to say.

If as you suggest my position is so weak I suggest you post your authority and let that speak for itself, rather than concern yourself with me, with how you perceive my traits.

I haven’t seen you post anything of substance, but instead you have turned to an attack on me, but you are unarmed. You don’t have an affective weapon.

I hope you will settle down and think of what you are saying before you make posts such as this effort of yours that is just about me, and not about the issues. Make up your mind.

You ask on what basis I declare the Bible authoritative, while I reject contradictory readings in other versions, simply settling my mind on my Bible.

On the basis of faith.

To one person my English Bible is authoritative, above all other versions, and to another it is not. Some turn to contradictory readings. Contradictory readings is what I reject.

KJV 1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

KJV Hosea 8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.

You mention what you refer to as 5300 + mss which all differ, you say. Keep these 5300 + mss in mind.

Next you ask can I prove different sources I mentioned are showing different doctrine.

Those sources I mentioned are attempts by various people to make Greek New Testaments. It should be obvious, if they are not different there would be no purpose for making all of them. Just like the changes some want to make to the Old and New Testament now. Further, it should be obvious the English renderings from the Greek sources are different. If you insist they are not different, why do you insist your 5300 + mss differ? Further, if the English renderings do not differ, why did they make them?

If they did not want something different, why would they be so adamant about changing what has been used for the 1500 years the “different” readings were not used? The difference certainly goes beyond the use of synonyms.

Scott, for now you go ahead and prove it yourself. Remember, you said they were different, all different. Or is there a way you say things but don’t mean what you say? I’m not following you. We are not going the same way. You should stick to factual matters to refute my, if you are able, and not let your imagination turn things about so much in an attempt to attack me, rather than my position.

Bible doctrine is what you believe.

Here are some words to define doctrine.

The root meaning of the word doctrine means “to teach” and denotes both the act of teaching as well as the subject taught.

From the Old Testament

What is received or the matter or message taught:

Deuteronomy 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

Job 11:4 For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure, and I am clean in thine eyes.

Proverbs 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Isaiah 29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

That which is heard:

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Discipline:

Jeremiah 10:8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

From the New Testament

The art of teaching:

1 Timothy 4:13-16 13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Indication of that which is taught:

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Teaching:

Romans 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

Paul repeatedly emphasized "sound doctrine:

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Paul also referred to "good doctrine."

1 Timothy 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

The Bible never contradicts itself.

My mind rests on a Bible that never contradicts itself. Good doctrine. Sound doctrine.
Perhaps you would not be upset to the point of thinking you need to go after me, rather than the issues, if your mind were settled on sound words that did not contradict themselves.

I don’t care to pursue this quarrel you have with me. You are welcomed to have the last word, if you care to post along the same line again on this thread.