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La Marseillaise
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First, I didn't say belittle them. I said make a joke about the situation. Mr. Brooks (a Jew, I refer you to his part as a Yiddish speaking Indian in Blazing Saddles)was asked why he choose to make the play within the play a musical comedy about Hitler. He said that worst he could do to Hitler and the Nazis was to hold them up to ridicule.
How do you want us to respond? Simply ignore M. Chirac and the French government. They have for their own good (at least to themselves) reasons decided to play part of counterweight to the "American Buckaroos" to the hilt. Regretfully, in doing so, they have painted themselves into a rhetorical corner. As average citizens of these United States, we have the luxury of using different forms of expression in our response than those available to Secretary of State Powell and other Administration spokesmen.
No, but The Squire has hit the nail on the head. That's the way most Americans are. And this is something that people in other countries can't seem to understand about us.
</font>[/QUOTE]"We're American"? That's the excuse? Ah, that's fine then. I mean, if lots of people do something, it MUST be OK.
I see. Hmmm. OK, let's make a funny poll about Negros. Ha ha! Or change the "toast" joke from "Frenchmen" to "Mexicans". What a hoot! Ooo oooh, wait, now I got it: let's take Mike's "bath" joke and substitute "French" for "Jewish". Wouldn't that would be just *hilarious*?!? We'd all be rolling on the floor we'd be laughing so hard! And Mike would be the life of the party, and Baptist Board Member of the Year!
*Now* do some of you people get it??? And not only are there very few speaking up against this kind of "humor", some of you are actually excusing, even encouraging it! Unbelievable.
Here's something for you and anyone else in favor of a boycott to think about. I hope you'll get the point given your Baptist Board login name, and hopefully others will get the point as well. See the large green object in the foreground of the image below? See if you can guess where it was made and who gave it to you:
http://www.in-forum.com/specials/attack/images/statlib.jpg
Let the boycott begin.
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[ February 20, 2003, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]
http://battlefieldsww2.50megs.com/UScem01.JPG
What we gave to the French, and THEN some.
(American Cemetery, Normandy, France)
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[ February 20, 2003, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]
What we gave to the French, and THEN some.
(American Cemetery, Normandy, France)
[please see edit explanation below - CK]
[ February 20, 2003, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]
Which French joke on this thread isn't about belittling? If you are against belittling, why haven't you said anything about these jokes?
"luxury"? It's OK for someone to be a bigot as long as they aren't an international spokesman?
100 years ago, Americans had the "luxury" of making similar bigoted jokes about Africans. And we all know how wonderful that was. Ah, the good ole days......
Negros?
I had no idea people still said that. I thought it was offensive.
I don't know if that would work. You could try "Canadians", though.
Not really. Jay Leno's joke, not mine.
And yet, when we say that the frogs should acknowledge the tens of thousands of Americans who died so that they would be free of Nazi oppression, you guys say that's old news.
[ February 20, 2003, 10:07 AM: Message edited by: Mike McK ]
stubbornkelly
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I'm just curious as to what form this "acknowledgement" should take. It doesn't seem that what we're asking for is mere acknowledgment (besides, I think it's been more than acknowledged already); rather that we want to be "paid back" for what we've done for them, and we're mad that they don't support our proposed action. We have yet to realize that not supporting our actions now has nothing at all to do with whether or not our actions in the past have been properly acknowledged.
Do we expect that a nation - any nation, let's not just limit it to the French - should support a country - any country, let's not limit it to the US - in an action the first nation opposes? I mean, really. We tell children that we love them, but don't always support their choices, and we don't often help them in making a choice we think is wrong. Why doesn't that principle apply when it comes to nations and their choices?
While I agree that the "acknowledgement" issue is a strawman in this thread, the issue of allowing other countries a right to their opinions and stances is much of what brought the American public to such a lather over France. Here's an article on Chirac's stance on other nations supporting the US, an issue that Brother Squire touched upon on page two of this thread.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-02-17-chirac-decries-eeurope_x.htm
It was also not that long ago that France denied us (the UN forces) airspace in the first actions against Iraq. While Israel was being attacked by SCUD missiles, American and ally planes (including Canadian) were having to seek a secondary route to the Middle East. That wound has not completely healed over.
As for the lampooning of the French in this thread, satire, which is usually always perceived by the recepient as "derogatory," is a right that the French aristocracy tried to squelch in the mid 1800's before the French Revolution. Satire, lampoon, and caricature makes the otherwise uninformd interested in a topic that they may have previously ignored. That was a major threat to the aristocracy of the time.
Almost all humor is at the expense of someone. I oughta know, I'm a redneck.
It surprises me that those who oppose this thread have bumped it up to the top of the index many, many times in the last four pages. If they had not, it probably would have died and sunk to the bottom of the page by now.
Just my thoughts on the issue and the thread in general.
A little help, maybe? A little support?
Face it, they're golddiggers.
They've gotten what they want from us and now they've turned their back on us.
"You saved us. Now s**** you."
We're not asking for military involvement. All we're askng is that they get out of our way. If they don't want to do the right thing, that's fine but don't stand in our way just because they don't have the moral clarity to do what needs to be done.
France is a sovereign nation (more or less) and I support 100% their rights to make their own decisions but they need to be ready to face the consequences of those decisions, in this case worldwide derision.
Because as a parent, you're responsible for seeing that the child doesn't make those decisions.
[ February 20, 2003, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]
Mike, please do not let your passion effect your presentation. Despite the political nature of the thread, this is still a Christian site and we would like to keep a "G" rating. Thanks.
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Clint - Mod
This reminds me of an editorial cartoon I saw back when the USAF flew some sorties on Khadafy from bases in England. (De Gaulle had kicked us out in the '60s) It showed the routes the French preferred in the fight against tyranny. In '44, the route was a straight shot accross the Channel. During the Reagan administration, the outbound route was down the coast of Portugal, east at Gibraltar, staight on to Tripoli. The return was much the same route.
[ February 20, 2003, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: The Squire ]
Bro. James Reed
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France has an army?
BTW, Brian, I would laugh if you inserted all of those words in for France. Jokes about people are funny. Jokes about me are funny. Lighten up!
If I told a joke about al-Qaida, would you laugh or would you take offense?
I'm sure there are people who take offense to hearing about God, but do you stop talking about Him? There is always someone who is going to take offense about something.
Every joke makes fun of something. Let's all take a chill-pill and complain about more important stuff than a little joke.
BTW, Brian, I would laugh if you inserted all of those words in for France. Jokes about people are funny. Jokes about me are funny. Lighten up!
If I told a joke about al-Qaida, would you laugh or would you take offense?
I'm sure there are people who take offense to hearing about God, but do you stop talking about Him? There is always someone who is going to take offense about something.
Every joke makes fun of something. Let's all take a chill-pill and complain about more important stuff than a little joke.
