KenH
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practical holiness
My holiness is totally in Christ. There is certainly no holiness in my old sinful body.
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practical holiness
All lapsarianism, with any prefix, is a waste to me.
If I had to pick, infra would be my pick, but I don’t have to, so I reject them all and hang on to, “…and he that cometh to Me, I will in no wise cast out”.
Then why did you start a thread on the subject if it is a waste to you?
I don’t have to understand how tomatoes grow to enjoy eating them. Nor do I have to understand the digestive system for them to do what they do for my body.
I don’t have to know the internal workings of an automobile in detail to drive all over America. I go by the principle of Deuteronomy 29:29. Some things God is NOT telling us, so NO, I am not commanded to realize I am elect. I AM commanded to make my calling and election SURE, and I do that when I “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ…” and am saved, Acts 16:31.
The elect in Matthew 22 turned it down—they didn’t make it, even though they were called. The ones in Matthew 7:21-23 thought they were called. They didn’t make it either.
Better to obey Acts 2:21 and 16:31, and John 1:12.
Good. However, the elect's standing before God in Christ is not changed regardless of what they might say after hitting their thumb with a hammer. Now the elect's state - their emotions and the circumstances that God places them in - changes depending on how they react to the joyful moments and to the troubles of life and to their circumstances and to the temptations of their flesh, but the elect alway stand perfectly righteous in Christ, the Lord their Righteousness.
Why even go through the exercise? If I had to label myself it would be a radical Christian, a Monergist & an original Baptist.If I had to pick, infra would be my pick, but I don’t have to, so I reject them all and hang on to, “…and he that cometh to Me, I will in no wise cast out”.
Why even go through the exercise? If I had to label myself it would be a radical Christian, a Monergist & an original Baptist.
Thankfully , through experience, God has steered me away from false religion, I.E. Catholicism, Calvinism, Legalism. I especially dislike modern religion… it is an affront to Christ and the Trinity.
Right. Nonetheless, we are sanctified at salvation, AND it a process of growth in practical holiness.
3 Presbyterian ministers told me that my infant son who died was in hell and his mother and I put him there.How did you come to give up Calvinism as a false religion, just out of curiosity?
3 Presbyterian ministers told me that my infant son who died was in hell and his mother and I put him there.
A WHALE of an OP, only to have the thread Harpooned to death before our very eyes.
Whew.
Romans 9
Romans-9.pdf A Calvinist's Perspective.
By their standards, we were both reprobates living outside the church and so3 Presbyterian ministers told me that my infant son who died was in hell and his mother and I put him there.
Can you tell me why so many of todays Calvinist churches are generally fine with their soteriology with an emphasis on Doctrines of Grace but turn absolutely Pelagian when it comes to salvation by Grace. I even have a name for them, “calminians”Ah...that made me cry out to The Lord. Thanks. Sorry about that. Those 'ministers' might need to learn of "the ways of God more perfectly"! Sorry about them, again.
OP said:In what order did God create humanity, allow the fall, elect some to salvation, and provide salvation for humanity?[/B]
By their standards
we were both reprobates living outside the church and so
Without baptizing him we were heinous sinners bound for hell…
and he, being a product of our sinning, a child of reprobates was doomed to hell…
and we put him there.
Now if he were a child of their Calvinist denomination he would be a member of the clan and saved.
If my girlfriend and I at the time repented, got married in their church, and renounced Satan we could be saved…
however our child was doomed to hell.
Now I ask you, why would either one of us want to be a member of that mess of a church?
Calvinist
Pelagian
when it comes to salvation by Grace
Can you tell me why so many of todays Calvinist churches are generally fine with their soteriology with an emphasis on Doctrines of Grace but turn absolutely Pelagian when it comes to salvation by Grace.
“I say there is no simulation at all of God in this: that which He proposeth is but this; ‘Whosoever believeth shall be saved, and whosoever believeth not shall be damned.’ He sends His ministers to preach this, and to beseech them to believe, and to be reconciled unto God, yea, all they meet with.” “He commands them to preach promiscuously unto all, persuade all, exhort all, unto faith and repentance” (W. Twisse—1653—The Riches of God’s Love pp. 73 and 169).
There is a group on this site which have problems with the very idea of "beseech them to believe, and to be reconciled to God"
You are not supposed to persuade and exhort unto faith and repentance because that *would be asking people to use their will.