Law Liquidated

[utilyan]

I think you'll find it does.

God is reconciled to us through the atoning death of Christ, because our sins were laid upon Christ on the cross and His perfect righteousness credited to us who believe. God made Him who knew no sin [Christ] to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him' (2 Corinthians 5:21). We do not become the righteousness of God in any other way than in Christ crucified.

Christ Crucified is needed, but that is not what does it all. The we are saved by his life and Resurrection.

Without the Resurrection your faith is worthless.


1 Corinthians 15

16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

 

[BobRyan]

If righteousness (Gal 2:21) and redemption came by the Law then only Jews could ever be saved, for Gentiles were never under it prior to its annulling (Heb 7:18, 19; 8:7; 10:9). Until all the Law would be “fulfilled” it could not “pass” (Mat 5:18), thus its passing came when Christ fulfilled, or, finished it (Rom 10:4). Remember, it is Christ’s words that “shall not pass away” (Mat 24:35), not the Mosaic Law!
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As even the Baptist Confession of Faith section 19 admits - the Ten Commandment moral-law the LAW of God (that defines what sin is) was never annulled.
In fact under the NEW Covenant says the "LAW is written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33

And we both know this is true.

What is more Paul says this of the same LAW that condemns all the world as sinners in Romans 3:19-20... "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

So then in Eph 6:2 Paul makes direct appeal to the TEN Commandments in his call for obedience to the LAW.

In Romans 8:4-10 Paul says the lost "do not and can not submit to the LAW of God" by contrast to the saints

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Christ Crucified is needed, but that is not what does it all. The we are saved by his life and Resurrection.

Without the Resurrection your faith is worthless.


1 Corinthians 15

16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

Whoever denied that? '.....Delivered up because of our offenses [to pay the penalty of them], and ...raised because of our justification.' The resurrection is the evidence that God is satisfied with the propitiation made by the Son. We are also saved by His ascension to be our great High Priest, which is why we don't need any priests on earth.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

As even the Baptist Confession of Faith section 19 admits - the Ten Commandment moral-law the LAW of God (that defines what sin is) was never annulled.
In fact under the NEW Covenant says the "LAW is written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33

And we both know this is true.

The Confession doesn't admit it-- it proclaims it! But you need to read all of it, not just the bits you like.

 

[NetChaplain]

In fact under the NEW Covenant says the "LAW is written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33

Hi BR - Always like your input! Thanks! I know it's confusing to most concerning what I'm about to share on this but I'm of the two New Covenants camp. The present covenant for all believers, and the latter covenant for the Jews who believe in God but not the Lord Jesus (Jhn 14:1), but will after seeing Him; but will be too late to allow them to enter into the son-ship of Christ.

This prophecy along with Jer 36 are to Jews only, which have yet to occur and it will be the final fulfillment of the Abrahamic promise to bring them into eternal fellowship with God, but not as children, just as a people of God, and this is what the Eze 31 and Jer 36 are all about, which have yet to occur, but will during the Millennium.

There are two laws of God and only the Jews were under both. The universal law of sin (Gen 2:17) for all, and the Law of Moses for the Jews only, but presently the Jews are no longer under the Law of Moses, it being "taken away."

 

[BobRyan]

Hi BR - Always like your input! Thanks! I know it's confusing to most concerning what I'm about to share on this but I'm of the two New Covenants camp.

Interesting. Do you have a "first new covenant" an "second new covenant" text??

The present covenant for all believers, and the latter covenant for the Jews who believe in God but not the Lord Jesus (Jhn 14:1), but will after seeing Him; but will be too late to allow them to enter into the son-ship of Christ.

You are proposing a New Covenant where the lost are under the New Covenant and remain lost. There no text that I know of that says those under the New Covenant are lost. Do you have such a text? John 14:1 does not say anything about being lost under the New Covenant.

This prophecy along with Jer 36 are to Jews only

Hebrews 8:6-10 is verbatim Jer 31:31-33 unchanged. "To the house of Israel" -- do you claim that Paul and all the readers of Hebrews were "lost" under the Hebrews 8 New Covenant?

There are two laws of God and only the Jews were under both. The universal law of sin (Gen 2:17) for all, and the Law of Moses for the Jews only, but presently the Jews are no longer under the Law of Moses, it being "taken away."

Acts 20 - Paul was specifically asked to prove he flatly rejected the doctrine you propose. What was Paul's response?

In Romans 3:19-20 all the world - condemned under the Law of Moses. The moral law that defines what sin is.

This is affirmed by a number of Christian groups -

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Andy Stanley,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

[NetChaplain]

Bob, I do not think we will get very far discussing this because I believe the New Covenant in Christ's Blood is not between man and God but between God and His Son, and believers are the recipients of it!

http://www.agcc.ca/resources/thetwonewcovenants.pdf

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, I do not think we will get very far discussing this because I believe the New Covenant in Christ's Blood is not between man and God but between God and His Son

No texts for that one either I assume - given the actual wording in the New Covenant.

 

[NetChaplain]

Bob, I do not think we will get very far discussing this because I believe the New Covenant in Christ's Blood is not between man and God but between God and His Son, and believers are the recipients of it!

http://www.agcc.ca/resources/thetwonewcovenants.pdf

That's what the link is Brother. I've been studying this and other related information for 15 years and find it textually sound so far.

 

[BobRyan]

That's what the link is Brother. I've been studying this and other related information for 15 years and find it textually sound so far.

Interesting link.

in the Bible -
1. The New Covenant is with believers -- Christians
2. The New Covenant is unchanged from OT to NT and promises forgiveness of sins.
3. The New Covenant is conditional, we are adopted into the family of God and sins forgiven, and we have new birth, new heart.
4. The New Covenant is the ONE Gospel of both OT and NT.
5. there is only ONE Gospel Gal 1:6-9

 

[NetChaplain]

Interesting link.

in the Bible -
1. The New Covenant is with believers -- Christians

It is nowhere written that the Father or the Son states that it's a Covenant with man, but just says "This is the New Covenant in My blood." The only New Covenant with man will be with Israel in the Millennium.