Lazarus sleeps

You half-quoted the question and didn't answer:

What does it mean to be "absent from the body" and when does it happen?

 

wopik believes:

But the Saviour told us:

Whom do you believe to be telling the truth? I'll believe the Saviour.

 

Humans are living souls (Gen. 2:7).

We don't have a soul, we ARE A SOUL.

Things that creep are a living soul (Gen. 1:30, KJV, center margin).

The soul, the person, who sins shall die (Ez. 18:4,20).

In the OT, nephesh is translated into English as: soul, person, creature, beast, man -----

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/nephesh.html

In the NT, psuche is translated into English as: soul, life, mind, heart, us, and you ----

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/psuche.html

Psuche: soul, life, mind, heart, etc., is not something immortal in man.

Why can't the preachers tell us the TRUTH. </font>[/QUOTE]wopik

You did not respond to a single point I made or question I asked, just more of your heretical blather as above, so it seems that further discussion with you is useless. I would advise all those who try to reason with you to stop since it is just a waste of time. As Jesus Christ said to His disciples concerning those who rejected His Gospel [Matthew 13:14, 15]:

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

wopik, you believe that the soul "sleeps" along with the body. You didn't answer the question. If the soul "sleeps", what does it mean to be absent from the body?

I guess what I'll have to do is ask you one question at a time and not another until you answer the first one. So consider this and answer the question:

1. What does it mean to be absent from the body?

 

Physical death, not spiritual/soul.

He says of those who witnessed the Lord's resurrection, some were still with them (alive), but some had died (at the time he penned the letter).

Paul is talking about a bodily resurrection, same as the Lord's.

 

wopik

On May 7, page 6, I quoted the following Scripture.

Ecclesiastes 12:1-7
1. Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
2. While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
3. In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,
4. And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;
5. Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
6. Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

You have as yet not explained your heresy of soul sleep in light of the teaching of this Scripture.

 

OldRegular,

I already know what he's going to say. It sounds like he watches Doug Batchelor's show "Amazing Facts!". The teaching of soul sleep claims that your spirit is non other than your breath and that it returns to God. It really doesn't make sense. So they say when you are absent from the body is that your breath or spirit is taken up by God and will be restored to you at the ressurection of the body. Anyone can take a verse and twist it. It doesn't mean it will make sense.

In my opinion the immediate state of a person being present with God at death is a fundamental. I'm with your and Gersom. I do not believe in the false doctrine of soul sleep. I would not allow it to be taught in a church I pastored.

 

I know that the purpose of people starting the various topics on this forum is to promote discussion and hopefully understanding. However, I wonder if some people start these doctrinally false topics just to create dissension.

 

So if you're not a member of a Baptist church, why are you posting in the "Baptist only" forum?

 

He does not receive his reward immediately at death.

Pure presupposition. The answer was given earlier in the self-same passage, wopik. "the time of my departure is at hand" details exactly when this "day" Paul refered to would be. Stop trying to read into it your 'version' of what the Bible says.

I am amazed that you are still allowed to post in the "Baptist Only" areas at all, wopik. You r statement clearly show that you are not Baptist in the least.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

He'll hide for awhile, then after he thinks the coast is clear, and that we've somehow forgot that we're waiting for his answer to these accusations, he'll start another soul sleep thread.

 

wopik,

If you are not a member of a Baptist church, why are you posting in the "Baptist Only" area, pushing your false doctrines?

Answer.

 

Answer up, wopik. Have some integrity.

 

There you have it, folks. After repeated attempts, wopik will not answer the question:

If you are not a member of a Baptist church, why are you posting in the "Baptist Only" area?