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Lazarus sleeps

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by wopik, Apr 26, 2005.

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  1. Gershom

    Gershom Active Member

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    Why are you posting here?
     
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    why do you believe the dead are awake, when Jesus says they are asleep? (Jn 11: 11,14).
     
    #122 wopik, May 23, 2005
  3. Bartimaeus

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    Wopik still dances around the question and will not be honest with us as to his background. He is actively working the Baptists and wresting the scripture "Judaizing" (sp). I maintain that Wopik is not Baptist and never has been and has been working behind a cloke of darkness with his doctrine. I request that an investigation into his profile be made by a moderator. I have declared without waiver my Baptist position. I believe the same should go for Wopik. IF I am wrong I will apologize publically to Wopik and everyone else on the Board.
    Thanks ------Bart
     
    #123 Bartimaeus, May 23, 2005
  4. servant-96

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    The problem here is your lack of knowledge on the makeup of man. Man is body, soul, and spirit. The Bible plainly teaches that the soul departs at the time of death(Gen. 35:18; Phil. 1:21,23; 2Cor. 5:8). Of course if you don't have a King James Bible, I don't know for sure what answers you will get with those passages. If you have a King James, look at those passages with the idea that the body sleeps, but the soul goes to heaven or hell forever. The reason the Bible uses the word sleep is because the body will one day rise from the dead, some to everlasting life, some to everlasting punishment(Jn. 5:29).
     
    #124 servant-96, May 24, 2005
  5. wopik

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    servant-96

    Hello, servant-96.

    Yes, our LIFE does depart at death.


    In Matt. 16:25, "psuche" is translated "life": "For whosoever shall save his life [psuche] shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life [psuche] for my sake shall find it."


    "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul [psuche] (life) - Matt. 16:23.

    [ May 28, 2005, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: wopik ]
     
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  6. wopik

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    Gen. 35:18 --- Rachel's soul [nephesh] ---- her LIFE [nephesh] --- was departing, for she DIED.


    "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath LIFE [nephesh]....." - Gen. 1:20.


    "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is LIFE [nephesh]......" - Gen. 1:30.


    http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/nephesh.html
     
    #126 wopik, May 28, 2005
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  8. untangled

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    This is ridiculous.

    Look, that gives you no case for soul sleep. Verses such as in Matthew 16 are not even meant to tell about what happens at death. Man, please quit watching so much Doug Batchelor.

    The basis of that whole argument does not make sense. I know someone else that got caught up with DB. He got mad at his church, left it, and wanted to believe differently than all the bad people at church.
     
    #128 untangled, May 28, 2005
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    I gave some advice some weeks back: Ignore wopik. His posts, whether he believes them or is just trying to be aggravating, are heretical. Ignore him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    #129 OldRegular, May 28, 2005
  10. wopik

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    "the soul [nephesh] that sins, it shall die" (Ez. 18: 4, 20)


    What's your biblical case for the soul [nephesh/psuche] being IMMORTAL? --- besides the preacher just telling you that it is, in other words "trust me" (preacherman).
     
    #130 wopik, Jun 1, 2005
  11. untangled

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    It has been stated over and over. I could type until my fingers fall off and get nowhere with you.
     
    #131 untangled, Jun 1, 2005
  12. wopik

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    an IMMORTAL nephesh/psuche is no where taught in the old or new testaments.


    the nephesh/psuche is mortal and can die (Ez. 18: 4,20; Matt. 10:28).


    In so many NT references, the psuche is merely a person (2Cor. 12: 15, KJV-center margin).
     
    #132 wopik, Jun 1, 2005
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    James (KJV)
    5:20
    Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul[Psuche] from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


    James (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
    5:20
    he should know that whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his life [Psuche] from death and cover a multitude of sins.
     
    #133 wopik, Jun 11, 2005
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