Leaked DOJ Memo: Outlaw And Confiscate All Guns...

[carpro]

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/doj-memo-outlaw-and-confiscate-all-guns


Leaked DOJ Memo: Outlaw And Confiscate All Guns...


The National Rifle Association has obtained a Department of Justice memo calling for national gun registration and confiscation. The nine page “cursory summary” on current gun control initiatives was not officially released by the Obama administration.

The DOJ memo (downloadable here as a PDF) states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation,” according to the NRA, and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.” Obama has yet to publicly support national registration or firearms confiscation, although the memo reveals his administration is moving in that direction.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is one thing that would start an actual civil war.

 

[SolaSaint]

When the NRA found the memo did they also find Lois Lerner's e-mails as well? :laugh::laugh:

I agree Rev, if O was to ever make this move it will lead to anarchy and a revolution of some kind.

 

[RLBosley]

If done, that would be possibly the single dumbest thing this, or any other, administration has ever done.

Then again I don't know that anyone ever has accused this administration of having an over-abundance of intelligence.

 

[righteousdude2]

Spot on, brother!

If done, that would be possibly the single dumbest thing this, or any other, administration has ever done.

Then again I don't know that anyone ever has accused this administration of having an over-abundance of intelligence.

This administration seems to be one floor short of a tall building! But, how much of that is really clueless in Seattle time, or showmanship?

This could lead to an unsettling civil war! And I for one am not giving up my right to protect myself and my family!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Ain't gonna happen. You can mark it down and call me up on it if I am wrong. In fact, if it happens during this administration I will leave this board.

I quickly read through the pdf linked to in the article, but didn't see the words about banning and confiscation. I'll try to get back to it, but in the meantime could someone find the context for the quote in the document?

http://static.infowars.com/2013/02/i/general/nij-gun-policy-memo.pdf

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/doj-memo-outlaw-and-confiscate-all-guns


Leaked DOJ Memo: Outlaw And Confiscate All Guns...


The National Rifle Association has obtained a Department of Justice memo calling for national gun registration and confiscation. The nine page “cursory summary” on current gun control initiatives was not officially released by the Obama administration.

The DOJ memo (downloadable here as a PDF) states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation,” according to the NRA, and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.” Obama has yet to publicly support national registration or firearms confiscation, although the memo reveals his administration is moving in that direction.

I am interested in the Reno quote in your sig line, but I can't find a source for it, even using Google. All I find is the quote without where or when and usually from far right sites or blogs. I know that it is possible the google.ie may miss something, so could you provide a link to where and when she said or wrote it please?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Major problem: The source for the story is InfoWars.

Look at the very bottom of the article. Further, there is nothing in the linked "memo" referencing DOJ, banning guns, or national registration of guns. It is, in fact, an NIJ (National Institute of Justice) study on the ineffectiveness of gun buyback programs. in other words, epic fail.

Obama's scary, but putting out pure garbage like this just numbs the minds of the doubting. If this is the "evidence" we present of Obama's treachery, no one is going to take our warnings seriously.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Major problem: The source for the story is InfoWars.

Look at the very bottom of the article. Further, there is nothing in the linked "memo" referencing DOJ, banning guns, or national registration of guns. It is, in fact, an NIJ (National Institute of Justice) study on the ineffectiveness of gun buyback programs. in other words, epic fail.

Obama's scary, but putting out pure garbage like this just numbs the minds of the doubting. If this is the "evidence" we present of Obama's treachery, no one is going to take our warnings seriously.

Thanks for that TND - we agree that false evidence does more harm than good.

 

[InTheLight]

Major problem: The source for the story is InfoWars.

Look at the very bottom of the article. Further, there is nothing in the linked "memo" referencing DOJ, banning guns, or national registration of guns. It is, in fact, an NIJ (National Institute of Justice) study on the ineffectiveness of gun buyback programs. in other words, epic fail.

Obama's scary, but putting out pure garbage like this just numbs the minds of the doubting. If this is the "evidence" we present of Obama's treachery, no one is going to take our warnings seriously.

With this post you have exposed yourself as A LIBERAL! A FLAMING LIBERAL!!

:laugh:

TND's appeal to reasonableness is the sort of posts I've been making on BB for years and I usually get called the "L" word for doing it. One of my first posts on here was a compilation of all the stupid emails about Obama's faults (doesn't wear a flag label pin, puts his feet up on the White House desk, etc.) which distracts us from to the real damage he is doing to the country via debt and social policy changes.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

With this post you have exposed yourself as A LIBERAL! A FLAMING LIBERAL!!

:laugh:

Touché. :thumbsup:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

With this post you have exposed yourself as A LIBERAL! A FLAMING LIBERAL!!

:laugh:

TND's appeal to reasonableness is the sort of posts I've been making on BB for years and I usually get called the "L" word for doing it. One of my first posts on here was a compilation of all the stupid emails about Obama's faults (doesn't wear a flag label pin, puts his feet up on the White House desk, etc.) which distracts us from to the real damage he is doing to the country via debt and social policy changes.

I've never seen you get called a "liberal".

 

[carpro]

Major problem: The source for the story is InfoWars.

Look at the very bottom of the article. Further, there is nothing in the linked "memo" referencing DOJ, banning guns, or national registration of guns. It is, in fact, an NIJ (National Institute of Justice) study on the ineffectiveness of gun buyback programs. in other words, epic fail.

Obama's scary, but putting out pure garbage like this just numbs the minds of the doubting. If this is the "evidence" we present of Obama's treachery, no one is going to take our warnings seriously.

Incorrect. This memo has been comfirmed time and time again as authentic. You need to dig a little deeper. I await your apology.

The justice department has owned the memo and have been busily trying to explain it away.


Huffpo says

The memo, under the name of one of the Justice Department's leading crime researchers, critiques the effectiveness of gun control proposals, including some of President Barack Obama's. A Justice Department official called the memo an unfinished review of gun violence research and said it does not represent administration policy.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Incorrect. This memo has been comfirmed time and time again as authentic. You need to dig a little deeper. I await your apology.

You've got a long wait.

This is the verbiage in the link that appears in the article claiming to be the memo authorizing the nonsense stated in the OP:

Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies

Greg Ridgeway, Ph.D.
Deputy Director
National Institute of Justice

January 4, 2013

On average there are about 11,000 firearm homicides every year. While there are deaths resulting from accidental discharges and suicides, this document will focus on intentional firearm homicides. Fatalities from mass shootings (those with 4 or more victims in a particular place and time) account on average for 35 fatalities per year. Policies that address the larger firearm homicide issue will have a far greater impact even if they do not address the particular issues of mass shootings.

This document provides a cursory summary of select initiatives to reduce firearm violence and an assessment of the evidence for the initiative.

Gun buybacks
Twitter summary: Buybacks are ineffective unless massive and coupled with a ban

Goal: Reduce access to firearms by incentivizing owners to dispose of their unwanted guns rather than transfer them to a more risky possessor

Evidence: Gun buybacks are ineffective as generally implemented. 1. The buybacks are too small to have an impact. 2. The guns turned in are at low risk of ever being used in a crime. 3. Replacement guns are easily acquired. Unless these three points are overcome, a gun buyback cannot be effective.

The 1997 Australia gun buyback and its associated regulations is an exception to this. 1. It was large, buying back 20% of the firearm stock. 2. It targeted semi-automatic weapons. 3. It coupled the buyback with a ban on certain weapons and a nationwide registration and licensing program. There is strong evidence that it reduced mass killings (before the initiative massacres occurred on average once per year and none have occurred in the 15 years since).

The Australia buyback appears to have had no effect on crime otherwise. One study (Leigh & Neill 2010) has proven confusing in that its abstract suggests that Australia’s gun buyback reduced firearm homicide rates by 80%, but the body of the report finds no effect. Others (Reuter & Mouzas 2003) have used the same data and also found no effect on crime although they also noted that mass shootings appear to have disappeared in Australia. A third study (Chapman et al 2006) using Australian data from 1979 to 2003 shows that the firearm homicide rate was already declining prior to the firearm reforms and that there is no evidence that the new legislation accelerated the declines. This remains true when data through 2007 are added to the analysis (conducted by G. Ridgeway on 1/3/2013 at NIJ).

While the summary of Ridgeway's study makes a statement about buybacks in conjunction with bans on certain weapons, there is no overarching proposal to outlaw all guns and confiscate them from U.S. citizens. Such a contention is ludicrous once one reads the actual memo. In fact, his final paragraph indicates the combined buyback-and-ban legislation had no real effect on Australian crime rates, which would indicate this is not an endorsement of that or any expanded version of the plan.

The justice department has owned the memo and have been busily trying to explain it away.

If HuffPo actually said that, they pretty well summarized the truth of the matter. I don't doubt at all the Obama administration has a desire to ban all guns entirely.

This document doesn't prove it, however. Claiming it does just muddies the waters in attempting to show this administration's treachery. Real evidence is preferred to nonsense.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Incorrect. This memo has been comfirmed time and time again as authentic. You need to dig a little deeper. I await your apology.

The justice department has owned the memo and have been busily trying to explain it away.


Huffpo says

Where in the memo do we read anything
about confiscation?

 

[carpro]

You've got a long wait.

This is the verbiage in the link that appears in the article claiming to be the memo authorizing the nonsense stated in the OP:While the summary of Ridgeway's study makes a statement about buybacks in conjunction with bans on certain weapons, there is no overarching proposal to outlaw all guns and confiscate them from U.S. citizens. Such a contention is ludicrous once one reads the actual memo. In fact, his final paragraph indicates the combined buyback-and-ban legislation had no real effect on Australian crime rates, which would indicate this is not an endorsement of that or any expanded version of the plan.If HuffPo actually said that, they pretty well summarized the truth of the matter. I don't doubt at all the Obama administration has a desire to ban all guns entirely.

This document doesn't prove it, however. Claiming it does just muddies the waters in attempting to show this administration's treachery. Real evidence is preferred to nonsense.

I knew you were stubborn. Even when it's looking you in the face, you can't admit you were wrong.

So be it. It's something to remember.

You can make of the memo what you want, but it is authentic and you said it wasn't.

Like it or not. You're just flat wrong.

 

[carpro]

Where in the memo do we read anything
about confiscation?

First things first.

The memo is authentic. That is laid to rest.

You couldn't find the word? Read again.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

You can make of the memo what you want, but it is authentic and you said it wasn't.

Ah! Now I know what the problem is. You didn't read my first post accurately.

I never said the memo wasn't authentic. It is authentically a summary of a study Ridgeway did on buy back programs in conjunction with the ban of certain weapons.

What I said is, it doesn't say what your OP claims it says. There is nothing about confiscation or a total gun ban. And that ain't wrong at all.

 

[carpro]

Ah! Now I know what the problem is. You didn't read my first post accurately.

I never said the memo wasn't authentic. It is authentically a summary of a study Ridgeway did on buy back programs in conjunction with the ban of certain weapons.

What I said is, it doesn't say what your OP claims it says. There is nothing about confiscation or a total gun ban. And that ain't wrong at all.

Yes it does. In your haste to discredit the source, you failed to read critically.

The conclusions drawn by the NRA from reading the memo are clearly quoted

The DOJ memo (downloadable here as a PDF) states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation,” according to the NRA, and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.”

In either case, the title is not mine, but the author of the story.

Just as they totally ignored the memo's statement that an assault weapons ban would have no appreciable effect on gun deaths, the Obama administration and their anti 2nd amendment cronies in Congress proceeded to try to pass an assault weapons ban.

Knowing the Obama administration as we all do, it is an easy conclusion to draw that, if registration doesn't work as the study says, confiscation would be the answer. You may not agree with that conclusion, but it's a natural. And the NRA is no more over-reactive that Obama and his cronies who totally ignore the conclusions of the study about "assault weapons".

Can they get it done. Not through Congress. But you know what Obama thinks about going through congress...

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I saw those words, but those words are not in the memo - no matter what the NRA says - it is untrue, pure and simple.