LEAVING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

I am told that all Catholic Christians have to go to Purgatory before that long awaited place called Heaven. Who knows maybe the Apostle Peter may give a pass to the popes that followed his elevation to Heaven.

Why would anyone want to accept the teaching of the Magisterim as to this torture camp called Purgatory, when God wants us to believe that at death all Christians go directly to Heaven to await the Judgment Seat of Christ for evaluation of our works.

Notice II Corinthians 5:8 and Philippians 1:23. Purgatory is un-Biblical and contridicts these most hopeful passages from His inspired thoughts.

 

I think I'm done on this thread. The abuse of II Corinthians 5:8 against purgatory is so tired its in a coma.

And calling it a "torture camp" shows that you both don't know how to listen to those you disagree with and that you are not as learned as you think you are.

Good day, sir.

 

You're told wrong.

I think all of us Catholics here want to take all of our non-Catholic brothers and sisters seriously, but some of you just keep tossing up this kind of nonsense (talk about vain repetition! ) and it really makes our desire hard to achieve.

Maybe you think being fully and perfectly purified by God before entering into His Presence is a torture camp. That doesn't mean we believe it.

 

Please don't tell me you are being serious with these comments. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't think he is, but to answer his questions, because the idea of the drastically different faiths we have today was something Jesus never intended for his Church. Protestants say that they are pretty much all the same with very minor disagreements, but that is hogwash. Everything from denying the Trinity to denying the diety of Christ resides as official protestant teaching, depending on what church you attend. Christ intended for their to be only one faith and only one Church, until I know that Catholicism is this one faith and Church, I don't intend on jumping unto any bandwagons.

 

Please don't tell me you are being serious with these comments. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't think he is, but to answer his questions, because the idea of the drastically different faiths we have today was something Jesus never intended for his Church. Protestants say that they are pretty much all the same with very minor disagreements, but that is hogwash. Everything from denying the Trinity to denying the diety of Christ resides as official protestant teaching, depending on what church you attend. Christ intended for their to be only one faith and only one Church, until I know that Catholicism is this one faith and Church, I don't intend on jumping unto any bandwagons. </font>[/QUOTE]You left out an important one - The Holy Eucharist.

But be careful, my dear brother, that if it does occur to you, as it did me, the profundity of the "bread of life" discourse in John 6, all of the other teachings of the Church will fall together like pieces of a Leggo puzzle!

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+


I believe in God,
the Father Almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son,
Our Lord;
who was conceived by the holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died,
and was buried.

He descended into hell;
the third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
sitteth at the right hand of God,
the Father almighty;
from thence He shall come to judge
the living and the dead.

I believe in the holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

- The Apostles Creed -

 

Hey, if someone feels that they can better serve the Lord by leaving Catholicism, more power to ya. I'm in no position, and have no spiritual authority, to tell you otherwise. If, otoh, someone feels they can better serve the Lord by converting to Catholicism, more power to ya. I'm in no position, and have no spiritual authority, to tell you otherwise.

 

Well, good for you!

And like you, I have absolutely no authority to tell anyone else either!

But I can persuade...........

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+


Pillar and Foundation of Truth, the Church. (1 Tim 3:15)

 

You had a boring priest. I've listened to Baptists pastors that put me to sleep faster than drugs! Whether you believe or don't believe in a particular faith/doctrine shouldn't be based of course on good preachers/bad preachers or emotionalism. I've also listened to a couple priests while visiting that were very engaging and made us think about our own faith in Christ.

 

If you truly believe that Johnv, you must not be saved or you don't understand the multitude of heresies the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

My spiritual authority for telling Catholics to leave the Church of Rome and trust only Jesus Christ as their Savior is the King James Bible.

Shame on you for your ignorance. </font>[/QUOTE]My Grandma said it best when she said "You can be an idiot and get saved, but your still a saved idiot."

Being "saved" doesn't have an affect on your intellegance or wisdom.

 

(Sing4Him)
Please don't tell me you are being serious with these comments.

(Singer)
Ok, I won't tell you.


(Adam)
I don't think he is, but to answer his questions, because the idea of the drastically different faiths we have today was something Jesus never intended for his Church. Protestants say that they are pretty much all the same with very minor disagreements, but that is hogwash. Everything from denying the Trinity to denying the diety of Christ resides as official protestant teaching, depending on what church you attend. Christ intended for their to be only one faith and only one Church, until I know that Catholicism is this one faith and Church, I don't intend on jumping unto any bandwagons.

(Singer)
Adam, you misuse the words faith and church.

1. Faith (as God asks us to have) is merely a strong belief or a dedication to Himself. IT IS NOT A DENOMINATION

2. The word church also does not imply a DENOMINATION.

When a person realizes that, then the purpose of One God, One Faith and One baptism falls together like the pieces of a Leggo puzzle. (Did I say that?)

(Putnam)
But be careful, my dear brother, that if it does occur to you, as it did me, the profundity of the "bread of life" discoursein John 6, all of the other teachings of the Church will fall together like pieces of a Leggo puzzle!

(Singer)
Profundity of the "bread of life" is nothing more than realizing that Jesus came to be our savior and when we receive Him, confess Him and believe in Him; we have the spirit of new life within us. That's the gospel story in a nutshell and it is the motivation of myself and millions of others like me.

Yes, believing that the bread of life is something that is to be eaten during communion and to then believe that all the puzzle pieces of Catholicism will fall together is probably and misfortunately true. For to take that first step to stray from the truth will no doubt accelerate all the other misconceptions of whatever that church teaches.

Singer

 

Yeah, yeah, linguistics. Thanks for your charitable attitude.

 

And I have Him exactly that way, plus Him in the Eucharist. What more could I ask for?

"Misconceptions" that were in place since the writings of the early fathers, who elaborated upon what scripture said, and what the Church taught then, and continues to teach today.

That is 2,000 years of history no other Church can claim...

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+


Rome has spoken, case is closed.

Derived from Augustine's famous Sermon.

 

A knowledgeable Christian believes that you must believe in the Trinity and the Deity of Christ in order to be saved. Read I & II John. Some who are members in Protestant Churches might not believe in the Deity of Christ, which is proof that they are a member of a social club, but not a Christian Church. Don't put this mess on a born of the Spirit Protestant. Liberals of this kind will drop in Hell as quick as a blatent sinner.

Someone said, 'Protestants say that they are pretty much all the
same with very minor disagreements, but that is hogwash. Everything from
denying the Trinity to denying the diety of Christ resides as official protestant
teaching, depending on what church you attend.'

 

What a way to "deal with the details" of the opening post....

Oh - I get it "shoot the messenger" if you "can't deal with the details of the message".

Hmmm I wonder in which dark ages we saw that come from.

(A fitting symbol - of sleep posted by our RC brother).

Excellent opening post - a Keeper.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob, another excellent post!

 

He did not "deal with details"? How Shocking!

How "unnexpected"

In Christ,

Bob

 

Ray, if you're a Dr. why do you rely on what people tell you instead of research?

 

Bob,

You accuse them of distrusting the authenticity, but you fall into the gross category of trusting too much. Do you know the person? Then you can't verify the truthfulness of it. But that doesn't stop you from making fun of the priesthood by that last remark.

How "unsurprising."

Looks like its time to take another BaptistBoard hiatus. RTS, best of luck you.

 

He did not "deal with details"? How Shocking!

How "unnexpected"

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]Probably, Bob, because he didn't have access to your vast collection of Catholic source documents, or all your intimate knowledge of the strange and intricate details of the RCC.