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Let's have a pity party

Ah, HOS only two post later and there you are again—you didn’t stay away very long. Came back so you and bronko nagurski could have a pity party did you.

You know maybe the reason why satanic and vicious snake comments are something I can laugh at and you get upset so easily is that I know those comments are false while you realize with each new post that futurism is a bankrupt theology and an empty shell.

 

Aw, you poor little victim

Wait here and I’ll get you a teddy bear. Are we feeling a wee bit convicted by the straight up and using nothing but the words of your fellow futurist to compare your actions to blasphemy. I didn’t say the things you spout on about in the first paragraph—but I do see a pattern here. If I don’t say what you want then you just put the words in my mouth just the way when bible prophecy doesn’t say what you want you just put the words in Jesus and the Apostles mouth—hmmm, one should be care—they could face their words one day.

But I sense you wanted to say more bronko so why don’t you get over trying to be a victim and tell me what you really think of me—go for it bro—I want your true feelings—just speak up with abandon here just between us gals.

Now for you cut and paste scripture please reference yesterday’s post 93 on page 10 of this thread and you will have your answer—you are just re-stating what HOS already said without any new points or arguments so I’ll just refer you back to your answer.

Why is two thousand years not soon—LOL—by your logic then the three days it took Christ to rise from the grave would mean he was really saying he would rise 3,000 year later—preach on bronko—why don’t you hold to that position.

You also are just repeating idle questions since you got your answer to why the bible doesn’t say Christ came back already since he came back in 70 AD and all the bible was written before then. I refer to your whole answer in the previous post—do you actually read what I write or do you just spend your time trying to play the victim role.

 

Don’t be a Victim of Futurism—I think we are up to episode VI

Another proof that preterism is the only true view of prophecy is that Mystery Babylon in Revelation is Old Covenant Jerusalem which is being destroyed with the return of Christ in its judgment in 70 AD.

I don’t have time to write all the proofs of this tonight but will cover a few and do a few more later.

The great city was compared to a harlot. There was only one and that was Jerusalem.

Rev 17: 5- 6 5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.”
6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

This ties in to its OT reference
Isa 1:21 How the faithful city has become a whore, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers.
(verse 1 of the chapter tells us it is speaking of a vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem and in the HSCB before v 16 the topic is the purification of Jerusalem)

Where Christ was Crucified

Rev 11:8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.

And referred to as Sodom in its OT Reference

Jer 23:14 But in the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing: they commit adultery and walk in lies; they strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his evil; all of them have become like Sodom to me, and its inhabitants like Gomorrah.

Sodom & Egypt judged by God as was Babylon. Jerusalem judged by God. Jerusalem referred to as Sodom and Egypt where the blood of the saints was on their hands.

Type of Clothing

Rev 18:16 Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold, with jewels, and with pearls!

OT Reference (where Ezek ch 1 v 1 says explain Jerusalem's abominations to her) : Eze 16:10-12 I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with fine leather. I wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk. 11 And I adorned you with ornaments and put bracelets on your wrists and a chain on your neck. 12 And I put a ring on your nose and earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head.

Don’t be a victim of futurism

 

How pious we have gotten and still good for a few chuckles

You said I was accusing you of blasphemy and you are all on board with HOS doing your dirty work for you calling me satanic and a vicious snake then when I invited you to be man enough to do your own dirty work and tell me how you feel about me you all of sudden lost your stomach for it and got religion and hid behind the old it was just hyperbole trick—cute bronko.

Then as usual you put a few more words in my mouth and accuse me of wanting to resort to fist a cuffs ( I believe a close examination of my comments will prove that accusation as empty as futurism)—I think this vacillating between “pious and religious” bronko and “yea go get’em HOS” bronko is a hoot and a half.

I suppose it would be too much to ask for you to pick one bronko and settle there.

What we have here is a wonderful microcosm of the duplicity that is the essence of futurism.

On one hand you have to admit Jesus said he was coming back soon and on the other hand you try to weasel around it by saying a thousand years is like a day so Christ was really talking out of both sides of his mouth and meant a long time before His coming back.

Either side you guys are pretty amusing.

 

I wanted to add my two cents to your question earlier but we lost power.

I’ll agree with you that is a topic preterist literature has not done an adequate job of explaining.
We are living in the world without end as Isaiah 45:17 and Ephesians 3:21 reference.

The big change is in 70 AD at Christ’s return—at that point instead of going to Sheol, the Pit or whatever holding tank spirits go to Christians are then upon death immediately ushered into heaven to dwell with the Lord for eternity.

Until you die you live on earth as before. The major change here, of course, is that the Holy Spirit indwells Christians.

This system continues as long as whatever World without end means—you can ponder whether that means until the sun burns out or speculate that by the time that many billions of years pass by that man will invent sufficient space travel to leave earth and dwell on another planet or will have spread through much of the universe and be dwelling in multiple solar systems by then. It makes for interesting speculation.

I wish the upcoming Preterist study bible would address the specific point of your question in some detail. Many would find it very helpful. Maybe as eloquent and wise a voice as Tom’s can prevail upon them to do so.

 

Can you say scripture reference boys and girls

Sure you can I knew you could.

Ok yeshua, I'll bite on that--which verse would we be referring to that gives you that nugget of information. I know you probably have it in the John Macarthur study bible--but commentary is not scripture. I hate it for futurist when they get commentary and scripture mixed up.

 

Proof that Babylon in Revalation is Jerusalem II

I finally have time to finish this

Persecution of the Saints

Rev 18:20-21 20 Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!” 21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon the great city (reference Rev: 11:18 where Lord crucified) be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more. (The great city where the Lord was crucified knits together Jerusalem and Babylon)

NT Reference:

Luk 11:50-51 50 so that the blood of all the prophets, shed from the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be required of this generation.

Notice Jesus specifies it will be this generation (the current generation—not a future generation) that is charged with the blood of the saints. This is a clear line drawn between Jerusalem to Babylon.

Given to the Gentiles and Three & Half Years

Rev 11:2 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

NT Reference:

Luke 21:24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

OT Reference:

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished.

Note an end to all these things would be finished. This is clearly a reference to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and clearly and end to prophecy in the bible—it goes no further so we know from the inspired word of the Holy Spirit that all bible prophecy must be fulfilled in 70 AD or else the Holy Spirit would have been wrong—that would be a completely impossible position for any Christian to take to dispute the words of the Holy Spirit.

Don’t be a victim of futurism.

 

Say what?

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Don't be a victim of futurism VII

While the book of Daniel tells us that it is to be closed up because it is not for the immediate future. 12:4

But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

The shortness of time and soon fulfillment is a constant theme all throughout the book of Revelation. It is emphasized in the beginning, middle, and end. It is at hand, shortly coming to pass, and coming quickly.

If it was thousands of years in the future then it would have been irrelevant to the then suffering generation of Christians and a cruel trick on the part of the Holy Spirit to inspire John to write to its audience that relief was to arrive soon.

This forces us to either believe that the coming of Christ (in judgment against Jerusalem and destroying the power of the Jewish leadership to inflict suffering on the first century Christians) actually did happen soon after the book of Revelation was written or else we too can expect to be fooled by the Holy Spirit.

Not many of us would believe the Holy Spirit purposely tricks and misleads us hence we are forced to accept Christ did come soon after the Revelation was written—we have to face the truth that His return was just different in nature than what we were taught about the nature of his return.

To challenge the soon coming of Christ is to blasphemy the Godhead and deny the inerrancy of the bible. If any part of the bible can’t be trusted then all of it can be legitimately questioned as being honest, accurate, and dependable.

Don’t be a victim of futurism.

"No Dispy will claim that it is not, in fact, the case that an (even cursory) perusal of the New Testament doesn't often convey something of a "soon-ness" or "emminent-ness" to Christ's return. We already know that.....We don't debate it"…….Heir of Salvation

 

Don't be a victim of futurism VIII

There are numerous verses that tell us that the Apostles are writing in the last times.

1 Peter 1:20 ESV

He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

Here we see “was made manifest” is past tense and it is in the last times. We have already noted all the soon coming verses so it is obvious that the term last times or end times as it sometimes comes up is referring to the last days of the old covenant not the end of time or something that is in our future.

You can’t read the bible as a whole and think the Apostles are telling us Christ was going to come back thousands of years in the future. There isn’t one single verse in the bible to make that case or statement.

If the Apostles were actually inspired by the Holy Spirit and the bible is inerrant then the inescapable conclusion can only be that Christ came back in 70 AD.

Don’t be a victim of futurism.

"No Dispy will claim that it is not, in fact, the case that an (even cursory) perusal of the New Testament doesn't often convey something of a "soon-ness" or "emminent-ness" to Christ's return. We already know that.....We don't debate it"…….Heir of Salvation