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Let's discuss Daniel 12:4

prophecy70

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I believe the knowledge in question is the knowledge of the things Daniel wrote in the book that God ordered sealed up.

Thank you. This is the the point I was trying to make, Its about the book itself, Not about secular knowledge and technology.

I was not arguing when or if it was fulfilled, I was arguing what the "increasing of Knowledge" meant.
 

robycop3

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Ellicotts
Many shall run to and fro.—The verb “to run” is used in Jeremiah 5:1 of searching after knowledge. In this sense it is used of “the eyes of the Lord” (Zechariah 4:10; comp. Amos 8:12). In the same sense it is used in this verse. Many will anxiously search in this book for knowledge of the manner of God’s dealings with His people, and will derive comfort and understanding therefrom.

Cambridge
many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased] A famous passage, prefixed by Bacon in its Latin form (Multi pertransibunt, et multiplex erit scientia) to the first edition of his Novum Organum, and interpreted by him (1. 93) as signifying that the complete exploration of the world (pertransitus mundi), which seemed to him to be then on the point of accomplishment, would coincide with great discoveries in science (augmenta scientiarum). This explanation of the words is, however, unhappily, too foreign to their context to be probable. But it must be admitted that the words are enigmatic. The verb rendered run to and fro occurs elsewhere, Jeremiah 5:1, Amos 8:12 (of literal movement hither and thither); Zechariah 4:10, 2 Chronicles 16:9 (of Jehovah’s eyes, present in every part of the earth); and the sense generally given to the passage is that many will then run to and fro in the book, i.e. diligently explore and study it, and so the knowledge of God’s providential purposes, to be obtained from it,—how, for instance, He tries, but at the same time rewards, His own faithful servants, and how the course of human history leads ultimately to the establishment of His kingdom,—will be increased.

JFB
run to and fro—not referring to the modern rapidity of locomotion, as some think, nor to Christian missionaries going about to preach the Gospel to the world at large [Barnes], which the context scarcely admits; but, whereas now but few care for this prophecy of God, "at the time of the end," that is, near its fulfilment, "many shall run to and fro," that is, scrutinize it, running through every page. Compare Hab 2:2 [Calvin]: it is thereby that "the knowledge (namely, of God's purposes as revealed in prophecy) shall be increased.

Gills

many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased; that is, towards the end of the time appointed, many persons will be stirred up to inquire into these things delivered in this book

I just pointed out the ANTIQUITY of those commentaries. They were made long before the current travel/knowledge explosion began. Still trying to DENY THE OBVIOUS,eh?
 

robycop3

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I believe the knowledge in question is the knowledge of the things Daniel wrote in the book that God ordered sealed up.

As time passes, and the consummation of the age approaches, people will become more and more interested is such things and will try to determine what it was that Daniel was talking about. It is possible that much of the information in Revelation was what was sealed up in Daniel's time.

I believe that's just part of the knowledge explosion.

I believe ancient people had the same mental capacity as modern ones do, but God held back the increase in knowledge til this time, the general time of the end.

The knowledge of the meanings of Daniel's last prophecies began with the coming of the Greek empire after the Persian one. And I have read several commentaries detailing the fulfillment of much of the prophecy of Daniel 11-12, going through the rulers of the Ptolemaic & Seleucid kingdoms, & their constant wars with each other.

In the latest preterism thread, a couple of people are arguing that Titus was the prince of Daniel 9:26, but further verses of that chapter prove that assumption wrong. Titus did NOT make any covenant with the jews, nor was any complete destruction poured out on him. he lived in honor with the admiration of the Romans til his death from disease.

And the knowledge of the meanings of other Scriptures is increasing as well, including archaeological knowledge proving many events described in Scripture. For example, the remains of Gomorrah have been found, with evidence of its destruction by natural fire. Then, there are the Dead Sea scrolls, etc.

And the vast increase in travel has come about due to the increase in knowledge in general.
 

robycop3

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When Alexander The great died, there were several battles fought between his would-be successors, resulting in his wmpire being split into four smaller kingdoms, those of Cassander (including mainly Greece & Thrace), Lysimachus (including Lydia & parts of what's now Turkey), Seleucus (including much ofSyria, what's now Iraq & Iran), & Ptolemy (Included Egypt, part of Syria, and, most-significantly in Bible prophecy, Judea, for awhile.

Daniel's prophecy isn't much-concerned with the kingdoms of Cassander or Lysimachus, as they never ruled Judea. But the rule of Judea changed five times because of the wars between the Ptolemies & Seleucids. The Ptolemies were the last rulers of Judea before the Romans, who took over after the death of Cleopatra. (The infamous Antiochus IV Epiphanes was a Seleucid.)

While historians have been able to trace the fulfillment of much of the prophecy til not long before Cleopatra, the prophecy then skips ahead to events not yet fulfilled.

The Ptolemaic rule of Egypt & surroundings is very well-documented. perhaps Dr. cassidy, an eminent historian, can provide some insight on the fulfillment of Daniel 11-12 so far.
 
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