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william s. correa
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But God did not inspire the words of the KJV in 1611! He inspired the words in Hebrew and Greek! That is the whole point! </font>[/QUOTE]Why would't God inspire English he created it?
But God did not inspire the words of the KJV in 1611! He inspired the words in Hebrew and Greek! That is the whole point! </font>[/QUOTE]Why would't God inspire English he created it? </font>[/QUOTE]because He had already inspired men to write what He wanted written, in THEIR languages. He caused(not inspired) men to translate His word from the languages in which they were originally written, into today's languages. He made them all, old and new, and He has chosen to place His word in most of'em.
Why wouldn't God inspire Pig-Latin, He created it?
The main reason God did not inspire the bible in English is because He said He didn't. He said His inspiration work ceased when the bible was completed, which was in about 95AD. Modern English did not come along until 1500, 1405 years too late.
DesiderioDomini
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William, that is completely obsurd. The same can be said as to why wouldn't God inspire Auca, he created that too!
How many languages on this planet dont have a bible at all? Somewhere around 3,000 I hear.
Did God inspire a translation in those languages too?
William, seriously, for the sake of KJVO, stop posting. You are destroying it with every post!
How many languages on this planet dont have a bible at all? Somewhere around 3,000 I hear.
Did God inspire a translation in those languages too?
William, seriously, for the sake of KJVO, stop posting. You are destroying it with every post!
Originally posted by william s. correa:
You & your wife most likely did NOTHING wrong in raising her. Your daughter is her own person, with her own mind. Not wanting to be like you or your wife(so far) is HER decision.
I think we all grew up with PKs(Preacher's Kidzz) being the MEANEST ones on the block. And in Scripture we have the examples of Esau who went astray despite having Godly parents, & at least nine of Jacob's sons, and Samuel's sons all going astray despite having righteous parents-as well as many of the sons of righteous kings of Israel and Judah. unlike them, YOU and HER have JESUS to lean on. Please, don't blame yourselves for the events. Remember, God gave each of us free will. My best advice(I am a 58-yr-old grandfather) is to let her know you're there for her, and to **PRAY** together with your wife and any other righteous children or other relatives you have...as well as for each of you to pray in private as Jesus prescribes.
My household shall pray also, and I believe every other Christian reading this thread will pray also."The prayers of the righteous avail much."
Roger, I know this is off-topic, but I believe that helping and praying for a fellow Christian is one of the most important duties a Baptist Christian has.
You & your wife most likely did NOTHING wrong in raising her. Your daughter is her own person, with her own mind. Not wanting to be like you or your wife(so far) is HER decision.
I think we all grew up with PKs(Preacher's Kidzz) being the MEANEST ones on the block. And in Scripture we have the examples of Esau who went astray despite having Godly parents, & at least nine of Jacob's sons, and Samuel's sons all going astray despite having righteous parents-as well as many of the sons of righteous kings of Israel and Judah. unlike them, YOU and HER have JESUS to lean on. Please, don't blame yourselves for the events. Remember, God gave each of us free will. My best advice(I am a 58-yr-old grandfather) is to let her know you're there for her, and to **PRAY** together with your wife and any other righteous children or other relatives you have...as well as for each of you to pray in private as Jesus prescribes.
My household shall pray also, and I believe every other Christian reading this thread will pray also."The prayers of the righteous avail much."
william s. correa
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Roger, I know this is off-topic, but I believe that helping and praying for a fellow Christian is one of the most important duties a Baptist Christian has.
You & your wife most likely did NOTHING wrong in raising her. Your daughter is her own person, with her own mind. Not wanting to be like you or your wife(so far) is HER decision.
I think we all grew up with PKs(Preacher's Kidzz) being the MEANEST ones on the block. And in Scripture we have the examples of Esau who went astray despite having Godly parents, & at least nine of Jacob's sons, and Samuel's sons all going astray despite having righteous parents-as well as many of the sons of righteous kings of Israel and Judah. unlike them, YOU and HER have JESUS to lean on. Please, don't blame yourselves for the events. Remember, God gave each of us free will. My best advice(I am a 58-yr-old grandfather) is to let her know you're there for her, and to **PRAY** together with your wife and any other righteous children or other relatives you have...as well as for each of you to pray in private as Jesus prescribes.
My household shall pray also, and I believe every other Christian reading this thread will pray also."The prayers of the righteous avail much." </font>[/QUOTE]Amen! I will take that to heart! Now back to the Evidence!You misunderstand my argument! FIRST, I'll be sure that I am debating the subject of the KJV for the right reason. I will go and study some more and return shortly!
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Now there is some wisdom!
Amen to what Roger said!
I hope you check out the VERACITY of the points you've read in the works by those KJVO authors...for example the guesswork Terry Watkins has written.
Here's a little more evidence you can easily check behind me for veracity: Many a KJVO cited Psalm 12:7 as a proof verse for KJVOism. This view was included in the foundation book for the current KJVO myth...SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST teacher/preacher Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson's 1930 book, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated.
The AV 1711 itself proves this point false. Reading its text, note the little dagger beside the second them. The corresponding dagger is beside this marginal note: "Heb. him, I. euery one of them." The AV men italicized them to show the reader it's not a literal translation of the Hebrew, while giving the literal translation in the marginal note. The AV men, same as every legit translator before them, and after, believed this verse was about PEOPLE.
You can easily verify this for yourself.
But, for the sake of discussion, let's pretend V7 IS about God's words. Now, would it support the KJVO myth? Most assuredly NOT. Why would this verse not apply to any other version? What would make its application exclusive to any one version? Right back to Square One ya go!
I know ya can't study all the KJVO propaganda in one day, but you can at least start to see many of the authors advocating this false doctrine have written with forked pen.
I hope you check out the VERACITY of the points you've read in the works by those KJVO authors...for example the guesswork Terry Watkins has written.
Here's a little more evidence you can easily check behind me for veracity: Many a KJVO cited Psalm 12:7 as a proof verse for KJVOism. This view was included in the foundation book for the current KJVO myth...SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST teacher/preacher Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson's 1930 book, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated.
The AV 1711 itself proves this point false. Reading its text, note the little dagger beside the second them. The corresponding dagger is beside this marginal note: "Heb. him, I. euery one of them." The AV men italicized them to show the reader it's not a literal translation of the Hebrew, while giving the literal translation in the marginal note. The AV men, same as every legit translator before them, and after, believed this verse was about PEOPLE.
You can easily verify this for yourself.
But, for the sake of discussion, let's pretend V7 IS about God's words. Now, would it support the KJVO myth? Most assuredly NOT. Why would this verse not apply to any other version? What would make its application exclusive to any one version? Right back to Square One ya go!
I know ya can't study all the KJVO propaganda in one day, but you can at least start to see many of the authors advocating this false doctrine have written with forked pen.
The Isms in These Topics we all need to be singing off of the same page! The Devil has people beleivng one thing while the truth is trying to Speak to us! Why dont you look back at the threads Againand maybe you can help ! Maybe I'm feeling the pain of my 18 year old that just got up and left and I havent heard from her until today for a 2 weeks! And taking out on you wonderful people! </font>[/QUOTE]I understand. I went through the same thing with three adopted daughters (my wifes) they were abused kids by their real dad--- every single one. I even had one file a protective order against us to keep us from talking to her. While she was attempting to get my youngest to run away who was 15. Even other family members tried to hurt us by helping them run away (they were Mormons--kids are always right.)
Things finally worked out, but not before a lot of pain was felt by all. I will be praying for you.
I was not trying to belittle your situation, just let you know that you are not alone. Remember, that God is always there and often we do not understand his long-range plan for our lives or our kids lives.
God bless you and I pray he will watch over your daughter.
Aside from praying for a fellow Christian who has a painful situation(which is , to me, NEVER off-topic) we seem to have drifted from the topic of this thread. It began with Doc cassidy's telling Standing Firm he was willing to honestly consider any evidence SF had that supports KJVOism. Evidently, there mustn't be any besides the same stale ole stuff that was torpedoed years ago.
Very sad, William. May God give you His help in this difficult time, and keep your daughter safe.
A couple of things to remember William.
First, we raise our kids as God gives us the wisdom and ability to do so. We try to provide a loving christian environment for them to grow up in. Still, they go out into the world every day. They see it on the TV, hear it on the radio, and taught in the classroom. It does not make sense to blame yourselves for a child that goes astray.
The second point is that you don't know but what God may have a purpose in this. Many people develop a better witness, or a new ministry out of adversity. Even sin can be used by God for good after repentence. We don't know God's purpose in this, but it may end up better than you can possibly imagine right now. Don't lose heart.
I pray that God will watch over your daughter and also provide a special comfort for you and your wife. He is in control, and your daughter is never beyond His reach.
First, we raise our kids as God gives us the wisdom and ability to do so. We try to provide a loving christian environment for them to grow up in. Still, they go out into the world every day. They see it on the TV, hear it on the radio, and taught in the classroom. It does not make sense to blame yourselves for a child that goes astray.
The second point is that you don't know but what God may have a purpose in this. Many people develop a better witness, or a new ministry out of adversity. Even sin can be used by God for good after repentence. We don't know God's purpose in this, but it may end up better than you can possibly imagine right now. Don't lose heart.
I pray that God will watch over your daughter and also provide a special comfort for you and your wife. He is in control, and your daughter is never beyond His reach.
SFIC, the KJV changed verses that were in the Bishops' Bible and the Geneva Bible. Since these were also the word of God, that means the KJV also "is saying God did not know what He was doing when He spoke to men of old and inspired them to write down those words." Your logic here is flawed. You say it is wrong for the words of the Bible to be changed, yet the version you so revere did the that very thing. You definitely promote a double standard. What happened to the idea that "what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong?" It is either right or wrong. There are no gray areas. If it is wrong for MVs to change words, then the KJV must also be condemned because it also changed words that were in the word of God.
william s. correa
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The Isms in These Topics we all need to be singing off of the same page! The Devil has people beleivng one thing while the truth is trying to Speak to us! Why dont you look back at the threads Againand maybe you can help ! Maybe I'm feeling the pain of my 18 year old that just got up and left and I havent heard from her until today for a 2 weeks! And taking out on you wonderful people! </font>[/QUOTE]I understand. I went through the same thing with three adopted daughters (my wifes) they were abused kids by their real dad--- every single one. I even had one file a protective order against us to keep us from talking to her. While she was attempting to get my youngest to run away who was 15. Even other family members tried to hurt us by helping them run away (they were Mormons--kids are always right.)
Things finally worked out, but not before a lot of pain was felt by all. I will be praying for you.
I was not trying to belittle your situation, just let you know that you are not alone. Remember, that God is always there and often we do not understand his long-range plan for our lives or our kids lives.
God bless you and I pray he will watch over your daughter.
william s. correa
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Thanx and I am sorry to have broght it up here it just came out and sooner or later it had to come out! I really felt God moving thru all your prayers! He will see this whole thing true with Faith that he will! I will try to dig up Evidence as I Know how and try not tode so Bias on the KJVO, Although I Still Have some doubts on some versions I will try and be a little more civilized!Thanx and God Bless!
william s. correa
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There's only one problem with this, sfg...One will never get a word for word translation when you are going from one language to another. So, it is impossible to say that each translation is going to be "every word of God" in a literal sense. It will be every word of God in a translated sense. It's just like the four Gospels. They all tell the same story for the most part, but in different ways. Yet, they are all about Christ, revealing whom he was and who he is. There is no disagreement in the stories. There are different aspects, however.
I may not have worded this all correctly, but, you get my drift. By the way, we miss you on the Common Ground Coffee House!
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Yes, Brother, I certainly did. It took many years, but I finally caught back up to him. When I did, he was a full time pastor and a student at Dallas Theological Seminary. It was last year, as a matter of fact. He had been an army chaplain for many years, and after leaving the army had resumed his goal of getting his doctorate. He was taken aback when I apologized, but, our friendship that we once had was restored.
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