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Alofa Atu
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I worry about this:
"... The alliance promotes the traditional doctrines of the Protestant Reformation, particularly Calvinism,[2] ..."
Calvinism has plenty of heresies.
I also worry about "Dr. Barnhouse's" (Donald Grey Barnhouse; deceased (1960)) teachings, as that which he sometimes presents is not the whole picture of the Gospel.
I am also not so interested in "reformed" positions, as I am scriptural ones. They are not always the same thing. As for instance "James White" (Alpha & Omega Min.) claims "reformed", and has some (not all) good materials, but is quite in error in many points when it comes to Bible translations (and the history thereof), mss, etc.
pythons
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What degrees do you hold in Theology or the ancient languages?
Reformed1689
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I support the alliance.
Reformed1689
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Need to be more specific.
Alofa Atu
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OSAS - heresy. Calvinism's "predestination", which is not scriptural predestination, etc.
Reformed1689
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There is zero Scripture to suggest you can lose your salvation, MANY to say that you can't.
Zero??
All the arguments come from zero?
But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:1
That you might say is a misinterpretation but it is not zero.
Reformed1689
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Those apostates are so happy to hear that and will use it for their defense at the Judgement.
Reformed1689
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"(denying) the Lord that bought them" 2 Peter 2:1 in the sense that He has bought every person in the world?
Hey Reformed 1689, I'm OSAS.
But, the verses have alternate interpretations so it's not like there are NONE, for us perhaps, but not
for the Christian non-overcomers or those that are stressed out about making the mark and maintaining their salvation.
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 2:5
Ever been caught up in a sin and wonder if this applies to you?
No? God be praised.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:5
Hey Reformed 1689, I'm OSAS.
But, the verses have alternate interpretations so it's not like there are NONE, for us perhaps, but not
for the Christian non-overcomers or those that are stressed out about making the mark and maintaining their salvation.
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 2:5
Ever been caught up in a sin and wonder if this applies to you?
No? God be praised.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:5
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Alofa Atu
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Same old argument. The OSAS'er always self-define who the saved are and how it takes place, rather than scripture (KJB). In this way, by their personal and private redefinition,they vainly imagine none can ever be lost who have called upon the name of the LORD even once (even for a moment, even if it was years ago).
It doesn't matter what texts I show (or how many times I show them), for the OSAS'er always leaves the definition given by scripture, and uses a personally self-defined definition of salvation/redemption. In this way they can self-justify every sin, even to the point of justifying Lucifer himself. They have swallowed this poisoned pill of Calvin, and unless they repent of it, they themselves (and the others they have led) are in great danger. They have left faith, and walk on in presumption.
Your very statement proves that you actually believe that Apostates are 'saved'. Thus, Lucifer himself, the greatest Apostate, has nothing to fear from God, in your theology.
May your illusion shatter.
Reformed1689
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You said an awful lot in this post to actually say nothing. What have I redefined?
What?
Did I get the words out of order?
If I lost something I never had what is your issue?
Christ is not able to intercede for me or someone worse than me who has come to Him?
What then is the efficacy of His shed blood?
But this man,
after he had offered one sacrifice for sins
for ever...
Hebrews 10:12
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust,
that he might bring us to God,...
1 Peter 3:18
For by one offering
he hath perfected
for ever
them that are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:14
I was sanctified maybe but not now?
What does for ever mean to you?
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Alofa Atu
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Oh, I hit it right in the center, and you know it, thus your response of emotion.
Reformed1689
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No, I'm genuinely asking. Your post made no sense.
Alofa Atu
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Scripturally defining "fall(ing) away":
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Luk_8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Heb_6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Luk_8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Heb_6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.