Let's try something different....

Well if God can speak a whole universe into existance. He can speak the rock into levitation. So the answer is an unequivocal NO!

 

bwahahaa... ok well. so if God CAN'T create that rock- then He's not all powerful is He? Have you not heard this question before? lol.

 

Haven't you seen this answer before? God does not have to LIFT anything! He speaks and it is! So your cutsee little trick question is debunked!

 

Christo,
Your book learnin' hasn't helped you one twit!

You no more understand what motivates me, than you understand scriptural principles!

After reading your post, I was completely and totally motivated by strong desire to hunt you down and smash your face in! But alas I'll go to work, my working is a safety valve for the world. If I didn't work I'd be out destroying the world.


Just funnin' with you!

 

<<It IS silly logic because not every statement in scripture is directed straight at you>>

This is not true, as ALL scripture has meaning to ALL people. Did God just "pad" the Bible with stories to kill time? It IS the inerrant Word of God. When I open the Bible, I am face to face with God and His Holy Word. You are stating the obvious in the above sentence, but all scripture does have meaning. In regards to salvation, you mean ALL scripture on salvation is not intended for whoever reads it? Then what scripture is? All scripture on salvation WAS intended for me, as I got exactly what Christ's sacrifice did for me. What scripture was intended for you? Is John 3:16 a lie to the non elect? What about Romans 10:13? Calivnism is wrapped in intellect and deceit, and you have proved my point. Thanks.

 

*rolls eyes. John 3:16 isn't a lie to the non-elect since it doesn't apply to them. God loved the world (without distinction) and sent Christ to die- that whosoever believes in him should have everlasting life. If you don't believe- then how does this verse apply to you? It's actually verse 18 that applies since it refers to condemnation. Romans 10:13 isn't a lie to them either. If they call upon the name of the Lord they will be saved. Neither of these verses say a person is able to call on God without God first enabling them- and neither of these verses say anything about election, so it's pointless to try to twist them around as 'indictments' against Calvinism. Back to the other issue, I must ask you a question. Do the following verses apply to you?

Lev 26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your [high] ways shall be desolate.

Lev 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Eze 16:27 Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary [food], and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.

Mic 2:10 Arise ye, and depart; for this [is] not [your] rest: because it is polluted, it shall destroy [you], even with a sore destruction.

Luk 6:25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

Luk 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.

If they don't apply to you GOD MUST BE LYING!!! (so you claim)

 

John 3:16 opens a person's eyes to the sum and substance of man's salvation. Believe and have everlasting life which is salvation from the second death!

There is no other means of escape from the second death! God saves NNE who does not believe! NOT EVEN SAUL! Saul was a believer in God, but did not know that Jesus whom he sought to irradicate was God's Son. Saul, like all other Jews, was looking for a great warrior to rescue them from their persecution and lead them to righteousness. They did not suspect that God would choose to appear among them as one of them who was born of young jew virgin, conceived by God himself.

John 3:16 is universal to ALL mankind! Sinner and saint, since it is true that saints are sinners too!

 

you never answered if those verses applied to you wes.

 

If I were under the LAW, they would apply to me, but I am not under the LAW, I am under grace!

Does the LAW apply? Yes to those who are under the LAW. But Praise God for Jesus, I am not!

 

If I were under the LAW, they would apply to me, but I am not under the LAW, I am under grace!

Does the LAW apply? Yes to those who are under the LAW. But Praise God for Jesus, I am not! </font>[/QUOTE]Actually that's a wrong answer (though a right conclusion). The reason those verses don't apply to you is because they aren't referring to you in context. It has nothing to do with law or grace because none of those verses are part of the Mosaic law. They are just verses taken out of context. My point was to prove that every verse needs to be taken in context- and you cannot throw out a verse in the OT with the excuse 'we're under grace now!' The truth is that many verses and principles we appeal to as 'Christian' principles come from Genesis or some portion of the Mosaic law (such as the Ten Commandments). No matter what covenant we are under presently, God is still the same God- and sin is still sin.

 

If I were under the LAW, they would apply to me, but I am not under the LAW, I am under grace!

Does the LAW apply? Yes to those who are under the LAW. But Praise God for Jesus, I am not! </font>[/QUOTE]Actually that's a wrong answer (though a right conclusion). The reason those verses don't apply to you is because they aren't referring to you in context. It has nothing to do with law or grace because none of those verses are part of the Mosaic law. They are just verses taken out of context. My point was to prove that every verse needs to be taken in context- and you cannot throw out a verse in the OT with the excuse 'we're under grace now!' The truth is that many verses and principles we appeal to as 'Christian' principles come from Genesis or some portion of the Mosaic law (such as the Ten Commandments). No matter what covenant we are under presently, God is still the same God- and sin is still sin. </font>[/QUOTE]If context is as important as you say then why do you insist on using Romans 3:11 as a proof text for your Calvinist doctrines!

 

Because it fits with context. Paul agrees:

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Not just sinners, but 'under' sin. Paul was the one proving total inability here not me. Let's get back to your accusations against me instead of scripture (because I don't take too kindly to it)

 

&lt;&lt;Romans 10:13 isn't a lie to them either. If they call upon the name of the Lord they will be saved.&gt;&gt;

So let me get this straight...the non elect (those predermined since before time to be separated from God) can call upon the name of the Lord and be saved? Isn't that the whole point of being th non elect, and now you say they can be "elect"ed?

 

Because it fits with context. Paul agrees:

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Not just sinners, but 'under' sin. Paul was the one proving total inability here not me. Let's get back to your accusations against me instead of scripture (because I don't take too kindly to it) </font>[/QUOTE]Then what was the purpose for The Christ's Atoning Self Sacrifice? Wasn't the purpose of it to bring all out from under sin? Sorry to hear the Christ failed!

I was so counting on having everlasting life, but since I am still under sin, woe is me, there is no hope!