I tried to add a touch of serious humour to a thread, and it was denounced, & I was attacked personnally:
The actual topic- preterism - is being discussed elsewhere but -
I would appreciate comments on Lewis Carroll's thesis.
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How did Matthew introduce the word "generation" ?
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ arefourteen generations.
With Strong's numbers:
at 1:17 - So G3767 all G3956 the generations G1074 from G575Abraham G11 to G2193 David G1138 are fourteen G1180generations; G1074 and G2532 from G575 David G1138 until G2193 the carrying away G3350 into Babylon G897 are fourteen G1180 generations; G1074 and G2532 from G575 the carrying away G3350 into Babylon G897 unto G2193 Christ G5547 arefourteen G1180 generations. G1074
To suggest that "generation" means the whole Jewish race is an absolute violation of the way Jesus uses the word as recorded by Matthew.
But you could understand as race in the sense that the Jewish race for all spiritual purposes ended in AD 70 as the centre of the God-given religion was utterly destroyed. The Kingdom of God centred on the Lord Jesus Christ no longer had a rival setup in Jerusalem & the temple.
As Jesus prophesied:
Mat 21:43 - “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
Not a gentile nation but the holy nation comprising Jew & Gentile as one redeemed people of God.
And Peter, quoting Moses warned & proclaimed:
22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
And 5,000 Jews responded. They formed the prophesied holy nation.Exodus 19, 1 Peter 2.
The actual topic- preterism - is being discussed elsewhere but -
I would appreciate comments on Lewis Carroll's thesis.
I have several times given a link to Lewis Carroll's discourse on liguistics. Let's apply what he wrote:
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
The rest of the thread relates to the topic =====================
How did Matthew introduce the word "generation" ?
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ arefourteen generations.
With Strong's numbers:
at 1:17 - So G3767 all G3956 the generations G1074 from G575Abraham G11 to G2193 David G1138 are fourteen G1180generations; G1074 and G2532 from G575 David G1138 until G2193 the carrying away G3350 into Babylon G897 are fourteen G1180 generations; G1074 and G2532 from G575 the carrying away G3350 into Babylon G897 unto G2193 Christ G5547 arefourteen G1180 generations. G1074
To suggest that "generation" means the whole Jewish race is an absolute violation of the way Jesus uses the word as recorded by Matthew.
But you could understand as race in the sense that the Jewish race for all spiritual purposes ended in AD 70 as the centre of the God-given religion was utterly destroyed. The Kingdom of God centred on the Lord Jesus Christ no longer had a rival setup in Jerusalem & the temple.
As Jesus prophesied:
Mat 21:43 - “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
Not a gentile nation but the holy nation comprising Jew & Gentile as one redeemed people of God.
And Peter, quoting Moses warned & proclaimed:
22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
And 5,000 Jews responded. They formed the prophesied holy nation.Exodus 19, 1 Peter 2.
