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LGBTQ Community Gets Evangelist Franklin Graham Event Ads Pulled In The UK

Matt Black

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Firstly, thank you for editing your post. Secondly, you.dont have to convince me that homosexual acts are sinful, I agree that they are and in fact referred to them as sins earlier on this page. My gripe is with the apparent need to bang on about them as it seems an essential part of the Gospel message, particularly when other sins that can greatly harm others are not mentioned.

[ETA: reply to Carpro. @Reynolds: bigger shrug - my Baptist friend is equally convinced that the scriptures are just as clear about violence. Still no further forward then are we?]
 

OnlyaSinner

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So would your Gospel to, say, merchant bankers, warn them of the dangers of greed? Would your preach to oil company execs excoriate them for harming God's Creation? Would your evangelization of tax accountants who find loopholes for their rich clients to duck out of paying their fair share of taxes condemn them for not providing for the poor?

My question: why the obsession with sex?
If said "loophole" is a legitimate part of the tax code, then "ducking out" is nothing more than not giving to "Caesar" that which is not "Caesar's." Of course, what is done with any such tax savings is important, as it all belongs to God, and we are merely stewards who are required to be faithful. And citing one's failure to condemn the evil of black pudding is something I'd expect from the Babylon Bee. Does one forfeit the privilege of addressing clear biblical teaching on sexual intimacy just because one has not condemned specifically every instance of any sin everywhere? I'm sure that's not your intent.

That said, IMO it is best to lead with Gospel of Christ, neither ignoring certain sins nor excessively focusing on them. (There are a handful of clear teachings on homosexuality; there are dozens on adultery and fornication, and most of these latter apparently refer to heterosexual acts. All are clear sins against a holy God.) I saw a good example of this type of evangelizing in an area of the Northeast US where most people were of French ancestry and nearly all were Roman Catholics. A back-to-the-land type came evangelizing, and one of the staunch RCs had decided that if the dude said one word against Mary (Mariology is rampant in that region) he would be tossed off the property. Instead, the fellow talked of God's love, as in John 3:16, Romans 5:8 and such passages, and the local RC received Christ as Savior and he and his wife are now very effective missionaries.
 

Matt Black

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Agree with your last paragraph. And no, it wasn't my intent to call for the listing of every sin under the sun, just that we don't feed the impression (not entirely unearned) that we Christians are obsessed with sex and sexual sin
 

carpro

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Agree with your last paragraph. And no, it wasn't my intent to call for the listing of every sin under the sun, just that we don't feed the impression (not entirely unearned) that we Christians are obsessed with sex and sexual sin

You can worry about it. I don't give it a thought.
 

Yeshua1

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From.his Facebook page:

(Italics mine) : ie: God kills gays....which is pretty darn close to 'God Hates Fags' as espoused by the late Freaky Fred Phelps of Westboro 'Baptist'
Would jesus approve of a marriage relationship that he NEVER intended to be instituted, and did God not judge the cities there for many sinful activities, including gay perversions going on continually?
 

Yeshua1

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Presumably then by your reaction you would insist on Rev Graham preaching as forcefully against shirts being mixed polyester and cotton as you would he preaches against the "lifting of such shirts" ie: homosexual acts: both, after all, are condemned by Leviticus and are thus surely part of 'The Gospel'. Indeed, I look forward to the good reverend's next evangelistic preaching when he vociferously prohibits a husband and wife getting it on when she is on her period, since that is prohibited by the very same chapters of Leviticus as condemn Teh Gayz (18 and 20) and is an integral part of The Gospel.
Is Homosexual marriage acceptable to God, is that an acceptable lifestyle per scriptures?
 

Yeshua1

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I'm not here on this thread to argue whether the Bible does or does not condemn same-sex sexual relationships but, rather, whether focussing on this should be a part of preaching the Gospel and thus the preserve of the evangelist (rather than, say, a pastor or teacher) in the Church. I suspect you and I therefore agree
Again, does Brothjer graham actually come out and attack Gays/lesbians on a personally basis, or is it that he commits that behavior such as that, as well as ANY sin not covered/washed by the Blood of christ, makes them hell bound?
 

Matt Black

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Well, judge for yourself by his remarks - he refers to their destruction with apparent approval. (Yes, I KNOW all of us sinners deserve destruction outwith the blood of Christ, but why do the gays always seem to get it in the neck - that's what's got people's backs up here and got the adverts banned by that particular bus company - to the detriment of the Gospel

Is Homosexual marriage acceptable to God, is that an acceptable lifestyle per scriptures?
No it isn't....but neither is its condemnation an integral part of the Gospel
 

carpro

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Really? I care that the Gospel is preached and its preaching is advertised and those adverts are not pulled due to obsession over a side-issue

No. You don't. Your posts tell us a different story.

You've spent this entire thread trying to convince us that homosexual acts are not sinful and not addressed in the New Testament, and not supposed to be mentioned when preaching a sermon, all of which the rest of us know is not true/

So, no. You're not the least bit interested in the preaching of the gospel as written.
 

Yeshua1

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Well, judge for yourself by his remarks - he refers to their destruction with apparent approval. (Yes, I KNOW all of us sinners deserve destruction outwith the blood of Christ, but why do the gays always seem to get it in the neck - that's what's got people's backs up here and got the adverts banned by that particular bus company - to the detriment of the Gospel


No it isn't....but neither is its condemnation an integral part of the Gospel
He was just associating homosexual perversion behavior as a main reason God judged those cities, and is that not what the scriptures themselves state to us?
 

Yeshua1

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No. You don't. Your posts tell us a different story.

You've spent this entire thread trying to convince us that homosexual acts are not sinful and not addressed in the New Testament, and not supposed to be mentioned when preaching a sermon, all of which the rest of us know is not true/

So, no. You're not the least bit interested in the preaching of the gospel as written.
Romans 1:26 before salvation, and 1 Corinthians 6:11 afterwards, and yes, homosexuals/lesbians are included as now saved!
 

Squire Robertsson

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For what it's worth, to the best of my knowledge, neither Franklin nor his father has voiced their position from their pulpits. As Franklin is a public figure, I have no doubt he has voiced his opinion in other venues. It's called being salt.
 

Matt Black

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No. You don't. Your posts tell us a different story.

You've spent this entire thread trying to convince us that homosexual acts are not sinful and not addressed in the New Testament, and not supposed to be mentioned when preaching a sermon, all of which the rest of us know is not true/

So, no. You're not the least bit interested in the preaching of the gospel as written.
I've said that homosexual acts are sinful on several occasions on this thread so you are incorrect.
 

David Kent

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Quote what Franklin said in full context. You are defaming the man. He consistently says all sinners deserve death. Shameful behavior on your part!

Franklin? Would that be be Benjamin Franklin? Who represented the colonies in London before American UDI?

The one that was mentioned in a TV programme a last night On PBS America, The Craven Street Bones? A house occupied by Franklin has been found to have many human bones in the recently excavayed Basement. These have been dated to the time of Franklin. Many of these bones hasd been surgically cut though?
 
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