Liar, liar ... pants on fire! Who's the bigger liar: Clinton or Trump?

[Revmitchell]

Most of those who claim Christ in the history of the Church would not answer your question with those words...including the authors of the New Testament.

Paul did

 

[Zaac]

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It's 100% true!!!

So called political conservatives just don't want to recognize that they've been pimped by a lot of those in the background to their own detriment just as they claim those on the left have been pimped to theirs.

If that pic wasn't so big, it would make a wonderful siggy.

 

[Zaac]

The next few months look to be one of the dirtiest presidential campaigns in American history. Granted, some of those from the previous two-hundred years may rival this one, but still, the mud will be flying. It should be equivalent to an old fashion "mus wrestling" contest.

With that in mind ... of the two candidates, which do you consider to be the most unbelievable, and why? ALSO, because the Bible does call for truthfulness (Eph. 4:15), do you consider this value to be important when choosing a president?

SNIP
Who gave him privileges to once again start with the dreaded polls?

 

[Zaac]

Trump is not a liberal he is an opportunist. What ever gives him the best opportunity for business is what he goes with.

Haven't we established yet that every politician has to be an opportunist?

He has no moral grounding.

He has no agenda except making himself more money.

I think his ego is also part of his agenda. He likes being seen as big, relevant and important. He believed amassing money gave him those things. Now he wants more. Frankenstein is on the loose.

He doesn't care about conservative issues, he doesn't care about liberal issues, except when supporting them make him more money.

So why is the GOP supporting him? He makes the GOP look like exactly what the naysayers have said they were for decades.

 

[Zaac]

How can we sit in the seat of judgment of two people who stand at such a distance to us that we have no access to their lives or who they truly are?

PJ, I think there may be more substance to Hillary's faith from what I can ascertain than people realize. They want her to be a certain something because they don't like her or her husband and don't want her to be elected. And even though some may question its truthfulness, I think there is something to be said of a woman who was publicly humiliated as she was, but who still stayed in her marriage because as she said, her faith in God.

Hillary Clinton says faith in God got her through Bill's infidelity
Last updated at 01:10 06 June 2007


In a rare public discussion of her husband's infidelity, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said she probably could not have gotten through her marital troubles without relying on her faith in God.
"I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a rare forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values.

She stood by her actions in the aftermath of former President Bill Clinton's admission that he had an affair, including presumably her decision to stay in the marriage.

"I'm not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said.

The forum, sponsored by the liberal Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization, provided an uncommon glimpse into the most personal beliefs of Clinton and rivals John Edwards and Barack Obama.

The most intimate question came about the Clintons' relationship, one of the world's most debated marriages but one that the husband and wife rarely speak openly about.

Clinton said she has "been tested in ways that are both publicly known and those that are not so well known or not known at all".

She said it is those times when her personal faith and the prayers of others sustain her.

"At those moments in time when you are tested, it is absolutely essential that you be grounded in your faith," she said.

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Clinton acknowledged that talking about her religious beliefs does not come naturally to her.

"I take my faith very seriously and very personally," she said.

"And I come from a tradition that is perhaps a little too suspicious of people who wear their faith on their sleeves."

But for Donald Trump, I say look at what was quoted of him in this thread, http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/the-depth-of-donald-trumps-christian-faith.100042/.

It is sad.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

I think when Clinton lies she realizes she's lying. Trump lies to himself, so when he tells a lie he doesn't think it's a lie. Plus he tells it over and over and over again, sometimes in the same sentence. Therefore, I voted that Clinton was not quite at Trump's level of lying ability.

I agree with your descriptions, but from them arrive at the opposite conclusion. To me, lying is more than mere mistakes/untruthfulness - it requires an intent to deceive. One should not call the weather forecaster a liar when the predicted sunny day turns into a washout, unless it becomes known that said forecaster knew it was going to rain and called for "chamber of commerce" weather anyway. I think, as you've implied, that Clinton clearly has intent to deceive, while Trump often actually believes the stuff he says, making Clinton the greater liar IMO. However, this is not intended as value judgment; the loose cannon may present as much or more danger than one being aimed at our ship.

Yes, we know Clinton has a liberal agenda and Trump has a "who knows?" agenda. Maybe he'll pick able staff and cabinet members and allow them to do their jobs without "You're fired!" being heard every week. Maybe he'll be worse than our scariest nightmare. Clinton's agenda is better understood, and I think she would be more skillful in getting it enacted than Obama has been with his, but there's little benefit in a car going 100 mph when it's traveling in the wrong direction.

 

[HankD]

How can we sit in the seat of judgment of two people who stand at such a distance to us that we have no access to their lives or who they truly are?

We must.

The health of our nation and even the world depends on our choice of the POTUS.

Along with "judge not" Jesus also said "judge righteous judgment".

Though they are at a distance from us we have long histories of both individuals.

Jesus also told us to beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.
That takes a form of judgment called discernment to see the predator through the fleece,
listen for the hunter howl and see the hidden flesh tearing fangs.

Since we can see and hear them instantly through 21st century technology, then through this discernment along with prayer and seeking the Lord we make our decision.

Last, we are in a nation in which we are expected to vote for our leadership and this time around we have a difficult time of it.

In my estimation Trump is the lesser of two evils - the proverbial "bull in the china shop".

HankD