Brother Bob
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I agree Hope of Glory until it comes to a commodity is a must for us all then we don't have that choice. They stepped in on Ma Bell.
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Liberals Get What They Wanted...High Fuel Prices
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SpiritualMadMan
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Hope, true enough...
But, doesn't it gall you a little bit when instead of being part of the American Team after a natural disaster and holding the line, accepting temporary discomfort, taking a short term loss...
They jack the prices up and record some of the highest profits, if not the highest profits, of Oil's Existence?
And, why when people are getting ready to take vacations when they should be relaxing...
Doesn't it gall you just a bit that people have to either shelf their once in a lifetime vacation plans so someone can have a $400 Million dollar retirement plan?
You see...
It's really hard to have sympathy for the greedy devils when they make such a show of it...
When they obviously aren't a part of the American Team...
They take advantage of **every** excuse to raise prices and keep their profits up...
But, over the past several years the only time prices have dropped significantly is when they've been threatened with being investigated...
It's not just a matter of what the market will bear...
It's also a matter of what will happen when people who have no choice but to commute for work, to feed our families can not longer do so...
If I had a choice I would walk... Or, ride a bicycle... Try that over 66 miles (one way) over what is ludicrously called rural improved two lane roads...
Mike Sr.
But, doesn't it gall you a little bit when instead of being part of the American Team after a natural disaster and holding the line, accepting temporary discomfort, taking a short term loss...
They jack the prices up and record some of the highest profits, if not the highest profits, of Oil's Existence?
And, why when people are getting ready to take vacations when they should be relaxing...
Doesn't it gall you just a bit that people have to either shelf their once in a lifetime vacation plans so someone can have a $400 Million dollar retirement plan?
You see...
It's really hard to have sympathy for the greedy devils when they make such a show of it...
When they obviously aren't a part of the American Team...
They take advantage of **every** excuse to raise prices and keep their profits up...
But, over the past several years the only time prices have dropped significantly is when they've been threatened with being investigated...
It's not just a matter of what the market will bear...
It's also a matter of what will happen when people who have no choice but to commute for work, to feed our families can not longer do so...
If I had a choice I would walk... Or, ride a bicycle... Try that over 66 miles (one way) over what is ludicrously called rural improved two lane roads...
Mike Sr.
KenH
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1) Yes, it does. And if I was an ExxonMobil shareholder I would want to express my displeasure to the company's board of directors, especially at the annual meeting, since it is the shareholders who are paying for it.
2) John McCain the other day called us part of a Satanic cult. Now you call us Devils. News flash for SpiritualMadMan: We don't want your sympathy.
By the way, you gripers ought to just come right out and state forthrightly what you really want - to nationalize the oil industry. Remember, though, that the more the government gets involved in something the more it costs, the service goes down, and the less there is of it. After a couple of years of nationalization you gripers would long for the day of $3.00/gal. gasoline.
Joseph_Botwinick
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I would settle for taking their socialistic subsidies away and opening the market for true capitalistic competition.
Joseph Botwinick
Joseph Botwinick
Joseph_Botwinick
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Absolutely. Are you also consistently in favor of abolishing the FDA and all government regulation?
Joseph Botwinick
Joseph Botwinick
Joseph_Botwinick
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Ken,
When you contract Mad Cow disease, I don't want to hear any belly aching about how the government didn't protect you from unsafe farming practices.
Joseph Botwinick
When you contract Mad Cow disease, I don't want to hear any belly aching about how the government didn't protect you from unsafe farming practices.
Joseph Botwinick
SpiritualMadMan
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Unfortunately, the industries self interests seem to only be "bottom line" oriented...
And, not consumer health and safety...
After all if 'we' kill off a few million there's always more where they came from...
We'll just change our names (not our supply) and continue doing business elsewhere...
No, I want some independent third parties oversight thank you very much...
And, Ken, even though I know a lot of the angst against the Oil Industry is only minimally founded in fact...
It still doesn't make their apparent attitudes towards the American Consumer either Ethical or Moral...
It really is an US vs THEM situation...
No American Team working to solve a problem and have everyone survive with money left in their pockets...
The rich get richer and the middle class joins the poor...
NO MATTER HOW HARD WE WORK!
Mike Sr.
The poor's only hope isn't the government it's Christians in the Middle Class...
Destroy the Middle Class and you have either Anarchy or Socialism...
But, one thing you won't have anymore is customers!
Mike Sr.
And, not consumer health and safety...
After all if 'we' kill off a few million there's always more where they came from...
We'll just change our names (not our supply) and continue doing business elsewhere...
No, I want some independent third parties oversight thank you very much...
And, Ken, even though I know a lot of the angst against the Oil Industry is only minimally founded in fact...
It still doesn't make their apparent attitudes towards the American Consumer either Ethical or Moral...
It really is an US vs THEM situation...
No American Team working to solve a problem and have everyone survive with money left in their pockets...
The rich get richer and the middle class joins the poor...
NO MATTER HOW HARD WE WORK!
Mike Sr.
The poor's only hope isn't the government it's Christians in the Middle Class...
Destroy the Middle Class and you have either Anarchy or Socialism...
But, one thing you won't have anymore is customers!
Mike Sr.
KenH
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I disagree that there is anything unethical or immoral in my attitude toward the American consumer. If you have proof that my attitude toward the American consumer has been either unethical or immoral, please supply it. Otherwise, you are bearing false witness toward me and everyone else in the oil industry.
Does capitalism need HIGH accountability..your darn tooten! it does...it is perverse when lobbyists, big oil, sheikhs, and OPEC put the fix in and then present the big lie "its the market"
Capitalism is not to be worshiped or accepted carte blanc it needs high accountability and sometimes with push backs that may not look so
capitalistic.
notice everyone has swallowed the big lie "its the market" well yeah its the market perverted
with the goal of greed and destroying the middle class.
Capitalism is not to be worshiped or accepted carte blanc it needs high accountability and sometimes with push backs that may not look so
capitalistic.
notice everyone has swallowed the big lie "its the market" well yeah its the market perverted
with the goal of greed and destroying the middle class.
saturneptune
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Hope of Glory
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I'm getting ready to drive 5000,about 2,000 miles of which is across Canada, and about 1,000 miles of which the gas was over $3.00 two years ago.
Perhaps we should demand the US government to put the squeeze on Canada to help out us poor US citizens as we drive across?
You know what? I'm 6'9" and I eat a lot. Maybe the government should force beef ranchers to sell to me at a discount rate. After all, isn't that fair?
BTW, as far as being "team" players, I don't see Ford and GM (and Toyota, Nissan, and Honda which are made in the US) stepping up to offer us a discount just because we live here and we have to commute to work.
These are corporations. Their objective is to make a profit. The Exxon exec got what he did because he did a good job leading the company for several years. Did he get too much? That's not up to me, it's up to the shareholders in the company.
The Fed has a sort of reverse Midas touch: Everything it touches turns to junk. I don't want them in the oil business or in the gas business, except perhaps on military bases.
Perhaps we should demand the US government to put the squeeze on Canada to help out us poor US citizens as we drive across?
You know what? I'm 6'9" and I eat a lot. Maybe the government should force beef ranchers to sell to me at a discount rate. After all, isn't that fair?
BTW, as far as being "team" players, I don't see Ford and GM (and Toyota, Nissan, and Honda which are made in the US) stepping up to offer us a discount just because we live here and we have to commute to work.
These are corporations. Their objective is to make a profit. The Exxon exec got what he did because he did a good job leading the company for several years. Did he get too much? That's not up to me, it's up to the shareholders in the company.
The Fed has a sort of reverse Midas touch: Everything it touches turns to junk. I don't want them in the oil business or in the gas business, except perhaps on military bases.
saturneptune
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KenH,
You are the one that suggests the only solution to this problem is government intervention. That has nothing to do with the theivery of the American people by the gas companies. No one but you said the government should be involved. But then again, that is the response I would expect from an apologist and patsy for the oil companies and their executives.
You are the one that suggests the only solution to this problem is government intervention. That has nothing to do with the theivery of the American people by the gas companies. No one but you said the government should be involved. But then again, that is the response I would expect from an apologist and patsy for the oil companies and their executives.