Liberals May Win Control of the SBC

[Wingman68]

Well, we only know about Lewinsky for sure and she seems to have been a willing if not enthusiastic participant...rather different from grabbing random women by their genitals and forcing unwanted kisses on them...

Rap Sheet: The Women Who Claim to Be Victims of Bill and Hillary Clinton | Breitbart

Amuse me here with the Breitbart link, since Andrew was one of many suspicious deaths in the Clinton orbit. Would you like me to post a link about all those deaths as well? Do I also need to educate you on Epstein who is a pedophile? Are we to assume all the ‘prostitutes’ on the Lolita Express & on his destination island are all of legal age to be consensual?

 

[Wingman68]

A Republican candidate is not guaranteed the Christian vote. A Christian should not for the candidate they feel is best for the job based on their Christian world view. If that is 3rd party, it is 3rd party. You should not ever have to comprise your principles based upon the "3rd party vote, is a vote for Hillary" myth

If you feel Trump is the best....then vote for Trump. If you think 3rd party is better, vote 3rd party. Vote your Christian conviction.

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Thank you, I always do. You didn’t want to talk about the supreme court nominees I see.

 

[Revmitchell]

A Republican candidate is not guaranteed the Christian vote. A Christian should not for the candidate they feel is best for the job based on their Christian world view. If that is 3rd party, it is 3rd party. You should not ever have to comprise your principles based upon the "3rd party vote, is a vote for Hillary" myth

If you feel Trump is the best....then vote for Trump. If you think 3rd party is better, vote 3rd party. Vote your Christian conviction.

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I thought Trump was the best candidate based on his agenda but his character concerned me. I cannot unhypocritically go into the pulpit and preach on holiness and then vote for someone with his background if I was unsure where he was now. I do not care about anyone's past and repented sins what I care about is where they are now. At the time of the vote I have little info on his current character only what we know from his past. So I voted for the constitution party candidate.

 

[Salty]

This business of which candidate that a 3rd Party vote would help or hurt would be based on the convictions of the party.

Here in NY State - Cuomo (a liberal) is running for reelection of Governor.
The Working family party (extremely liberal) and Green Party have put up different candidates
So a vote for the WF or Gren Party is a vote against Cuomo.

The Constitution Party - (extreme conservative) will also have a candidate
So a vote for the CP is a vote against the Republican.

The Libertarian Party and Reformed Part - can go either way.

The Conservative Party is endorsing the Republican candidate.
When we dont - chances are - the Republican will loose.

Should be noted that NY State has the fusion ballot.

 

[Revmitchell]

When we cast a vote for a particular candidate it is not a vote for or against anyone else other than the person we cast a vote for. Such claims are just political speak and lack integrity.

 

[Matt Black]

Rap Sheet: The Women Who Claim to Be Victims of Bill and Hillary Clinton | Breitbart

Amuse me here with the Breitbart link, since Andrew was one of many suspicious deaths in the Clinton orbit. Would you like me to post a link about all those deaths as well? Do I also need to educate you on Epstein who is a pedophile? Are we to assume all the ‘prostitutes’ on the Lolita Express & on his destination island are all of legal age to be consensual?

Thanks but I pay no attention to Breitbart or the Daily Heil over here. I'm interested in FACTS not rumour, innuendo or unproven allegations.

 

[McCree79]

Thank you, I always do. You didn’t want to talk about the supreme court nominees I see.

Sure. Kennedy(Reagan) and Roberts(Bush 2). A conservative president doesnt always find us the judge we hoped for. Gorsuch has already halted Trumps deportation plans. We did get Gorsuch who is 10x better than what Obama gave us. But what has than gained us? We are still aborting babies and making a mockery of marriage.

If Obama was in Trumps moral position....grabbing vaginas and caught up with the Stormy Daniels accusation we would all be screaming for his resignation. To compromise Christian values and vote for an immoral candidate for the gamble of getting a "good" judge is dangerous. The best candidate should always get the vote. Regardless if there is a "R", "D", "G", "L" or "I" by there name. Our 2 party system is failed and often gives us less than acceptable candidates.

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[McCree79]

I thought Trump was the best candidate based on his agenda but his character concerned me. I cannot unhypocritically go into the pulpit and preach on holiness and then vote for someone with his background if I was unsure where he was now. I do not care about anyone's past and repented sins what I care about is where they are now. At the time of the vote I have little info on his current character only what we know from his past. So I voted for the constitution party candidate.

Then you put more thought into it than most voters.... on both sides. Sounds like you let your Christian values (prayer and scripture are implied as a Christian) guide. That is the best we can do. We cannot see the future.

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[Rob_BW]

Well, we only know about Lewinsky for sure and she seems to have been a willing if not enthusiastic participant...rather different from grabbing random women by their genitals and forcing unwanted kisses on them...

You can apply my comment to both men, but...

There are relationships that preclude romance. An employer and employee, a teacher/professor and student, and etc.

 

[Wingman68]

Sure. Kennedy(Reagan) and Roberts(Bush 2). A conservative president doesnt always find us the judge we hoped for. Gorsuch has already halted Trumps deportation plans. We did get Gorsuch who is 10x better than what Obama gave us. But what has than gained us? We are still aborting babies and making a mockery of marriage.

If Obama was in Trumps moral position....grabbing vaginas and caught up with the Stormy Daniels accusation we would all be screaming for his resignation. To compromise Christian values and vote for an immoral candidate for the gamble of getting a "good" judge is dangerous. The best candidate should always get the vote. Regardless if there is a "R", "D", "G", "L" or "I" by there name. Our 2 party system is failed and often gives us less than acceptable candidates.

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I keep hearing the grabbing vaginas (thought we weren’t supposed to include this language here) mantra, but I haven’t heard anyone who was actually grabbed. It doesn’t pertain to Stormy, so...........this discussion is really yielding nothing except our political positions. I always vote pro life, so I never vote democrat. There are no other candidates that are actually viable to win. The two parties have seen to that. I don’t recall an independent ever winning the office of president since Abe Lincoln. Guess we’re done.

 

[McCree79]

I keep hearing the grabbing vaginas (thought we weren’t supposed to include this language here) mantra, but I haven’t heard anyone who was actually grabbed. It doesn’t pertain to Stormy, so...........this discussion is really yielding nothing except our political positions. I always vote pro life, so I never vote democrat. There are no other candidates that are actually viable to win. The two parties have seen to that. I don’t recall an independent ever winning the office of president since Abe Lincoln. Guess we’re done.

Not sure how you feel Stormy doesn't reflect on his moral character.

I applaud you for voting for the pro-life postion.

As far as 3rd party goes. We have to get started somewhere. It would start small, but if Christians could unite behind a 3rd party candidate who reflect the Christian ethic then we could make the person a threat to the 2 party system.

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[Wingman68]

Thanks but I pay no attention to Breitbart or the Daily Heil over here. I'm interested in FACTS not rumour, innuendo or unproven allegations.

Juanita Broadderick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones. Gennifer Flowers had a long time affair with him. Poor Monica, she thought it was real, being an inexperienced young lady. There is a half black young man, who claims Bill is his father, & just wants to be acknowledged. He looks more like Bill than Chelsea. Chelsea bears a remarkable resemblance to Web Hubbells daughter, have you seen that side by side? The list goes on, but there are only so many hours in a day.

 

[Yeshua1]

Sure. Kennedy(Reagan) and Roberts(Bush 2). A conservative president doesnt always find us the judge we hoped for. Gorsuch has already halted Trumps deportation plans. We did get Gorsuch who is 10x better than what Obama gave us. But what has than gained us? We are still aborting babies and making a mockery of marriage.

If Obama was in Trumps moral position....grabbing vaginas and caught up with the Stormy Daniels accusation we would all be screaming for his resignation. To compromise Christian values and vote for an immoral candidate for the gamble of getting a "good" judge is dangerous. The best candidate should always get the vote. Regardless if there is a "R", "D", "G", "L" or "I" by there name. Our 2 party system is failed and often gives us less than acceptable candidates.

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Bill and Obama both claimed to be Christians, Trump never did during those womanizing times, and still, he was crude in talk and tried to kiss other women, but that is a far cry from being like Bill was!
And all of those reports on the Donald are what, 10-20 years old, and so far no real proof?
What has he been doing since his last marriage, and as the president?

 

[Yeshua1]

He boasted about "grabbing them by the p*****", which is sexual assault. At least Slick Willie was consensual...

If you view the president ordering her to soil her dress as being consentual!

 

[McCree79]

What has he been doing since his last marriage, and as the president?

Stormy Daniels??? That was after Barron's birth.

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[Yeshua1]

I keep hearing the grabbing vaginas (thought we weren’t supposed to include this language here) mantra, but I haven’t heard anyone who was actually grabbed. It doesn’t pertain to Stormy, so...........this discussion is really yielding nothing except our political positions. I always vote pro life, so I never vote democrat. There are no other candidates that are actually viable to win. The two parties have seen to that. I don’t recall an independent ever winning the office of president since Abe Lincoln. Guess we’re done.

As a Christian, there are soem issues that carry to me an auto factor, as in one must hold to that view to get my vote, as pro lofe/anti abortion, and against Gay lesbian Transgender onslought also is one of them.

 

[Salty]

When we cast a vote for a particular candidate it is not a vote for or against anyone else other than the person we cast a vote for. Such claims are just political speak and lack integrity.

IF thats how you see it -
But here in NY - the Republicans usually listen to the Conservative Party - because if they put up a moderate (aka liberal) candidate - the Conservative Party will put their own candidate up. Which usually means the Repuboican will loose. But when they put up a good candidate - with fusion voting - the R's have a much better chance of winning - at lease UpState.

A prime example was Democrat Bill Owens - - The R's put up liberal Dede Scozzafava. The Conservatives put up Dough Hoffman. Even though the previous Congressman was Republican - in Red counties - Owens took enough votes away from Scozzafav -for her to lose the election.

Bill Owens (New York politician) - Wikipedia

 

[atpollard]

At the risk of derailing the conversation on Stormy and Monica, could someone explain to me how the SBC is in danger of being taken over by 'Liberals' while the SEBS and SWBS are being taken over by 'Young Restless Reformed' who are sneaking into 'non-cal' churches and turning them?

I am fairly new to internal Baptist politics, but a simultaneous 'Liberal' and 'Conservative' coup seems a bit odd. Is this part of the famous Baptist 'multiplication by division' that people joke about?

 

[Yeshua1]

Well, we only know about Lewinsky for sure and she seems to have been a willing if not enthusiastic participant...rather different from grabbing random women by their genitals and forcing unwanted kisses on them...

No proof that the Donald ever did anything other than tal crudse and try to kiss women, and that was Years ago, was as he been doing as the president in this area?

 

[Yeshua1]

A Republican candidate is not guaranteed the Christian vote. A Christian should not for the candidate they feel is best for the job based on their Christian world view. If that is 3rd party, it is 3rd party. You should not ever have to comprise your principles based upon the "3rd party vote, is a vote for Hillary" myth

If you feel Trump is the best....then vote for Trump. If you think 3rd party is better, vote 3rd party. Vote your Christian conviction.

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I did not say republican, but which party between the 2 main ones are against abortion and the gay agenda?