Life is in the blood...

If one has an abortion, or performs an abortion on a woman, that one has prevented a life from entering into the world.

The Word of God says Psalm 127:3 3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

God gives that fruit of the womb. It is not man's right or even his priveledge to stop it from entering into the world.

 

Untrue. I said your position seems to support murder. I never called you a murderer. Get your facts straight. I was quite careful in how I worded what I said. I have no doubt you aren't a murderer. But your position you take makes it appear that you are strongly sympathetic to the cause of abortionists. This is why you are receiving such strong opposition (not to mention many of us feel your misuse of Scripture is indeed misuse....and, of course, because you're arguing that abortion isn't necessarily wrong. And, you're using (mis-using) Scripture, of all things, to support your point.)

I look back and shake my head at some of our ancestors who used the Bible to propagate racism at its worst. Untold damage was done to the Body of Christ because of people using the Word of God to support an entirely unbiblical premise. I view this as a similar situation.

Your accusation that I am "shaming Christ" is both untrue and unappreciated. So, am I shaming Christ because I'm against abortion? Or is it because I take Psalm 139 seriously and at its face value? Which one? Honestly, I think you should take that accusation back.

Besides all this....it would seem that one would err on the side of caution when life is in the balance. Doesn't that make sense?

While we're at it, how 'bout counting to ten and calming down a bit?

 

You have missed my point entirely.
First, when Paul mentions "the world" in Romans 1:8 (1Thes.1:8 says 'every place'), he means the entire known world of that time.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Paul was not referring to lands that he hadn't seen as you suggest. He was not referring to North America. He was not God. He was not omniscient. North America existed but Paul had no knowledge of its existence. It existed in spite of Paul's knowledge.
The ovum exists in spite of the knowledge of the Jews. They may call it something else. They may use different terms, as I already have suggested to you. But it still existed. To suggest that it wasn't "discovered" until the 19th century is just absurd.

Again: seed = spermata; sperm. The meaning is clear. They knew what it meant. And you agree.
If they knew one half of the equation, one can be sure they knew the other half. It is not rocket science. Mankind has been in the business of reproduction since the time of Adam and Eve.

Do you think I am going to trust your version of history and the etymology of words when you can't even get the facts of Columbus straight?? :laugh:

Ye do err not knowing the Scriptures.

The Bible doesn't say anything about "Sheehan's Syndrome" either, though it probably existed. You never did get that point did you? It went right over your head.
You want to force your own vocabulary into the Bible. You refuse to study the Biblical languages, and related Biblical passages in detail. "The Bible says nothing about where the life of a fleshly creature comes from..." you say. That is false. It has a lot to say on that subject.

If you don't know the English meaning of "conception" then you are naive, and shouldn't be posting on this subject in the first place.

Is it "ignorant, cruel, and shameful?
For the first seven weeks of the life of Christ was he just an inanimate rock, a lifeless thing with no dignity. If he wasn't human, then he wasn't God either. Now, by your conclusion, you have not only denied the humanity of Christ but his deity as well, for you have implied that he was lifeless.

 

Palatka said:

I responded:

I'm not backing away from any position.

You said,

Thanks for the compiment So....am I "vile and hateful" because I believe life begins at conception?
How dare you insinuate that I scream "murderer" at anyone. Your accusations are growing more juvenile and shrill by the post.
You owe me an apology, but I doubt one's coming.

Besides the fact that you are trying to justify an unspeakable evil, and using Scripture to justify it....you are doing so in an inflammatory manner. Too many incindiery posts for me...It ain't worth having the conversation here. Good day.

 

The blood is the life. Deut. 12:23
For the life of a creature is in the blood. Lev. 17:11

You don't believe the Bible either if you are saying the baby has nothing to do with the blood until 7 weeks. How do you think the baby eats? The blood of the mother flows into and through the baby... Ever hear of an umbilical cord?

 

You don't know how silly your argument sounds like. Back in the time of the Patriarchs, in the time of Jacob, Onan (Genesis 38), understood what sperm was. We know that Abraham lived ca. 2100 B.C. At the time of Christ they understood what sperm was, and you fully agree with that. But for some strange reason, you say that the other half (the woman) would be ignorant that she did not have an egg until 1700 years later!!! Does that even begin to make sense??
There are no words to describe ovum in the Hebrew language, you say. How surprising--knowing what detail you may be looking for.
Have you found any words in the Hebrew language for the pituitary? hypothalmus? I didn't think so. But I am sure that almost all the Hebrews have them.

The ovum existed despite your ignorance of how it was described in the Bible.

And who is the one that claimed that people throughout all centuries believed the world was round? "You are spouting historical ignorance and revision." Even your so-called facts of Columbus were not correct. You don't know your own history. How can one depend on you to be reliable on the history of science if you don't know the basic history of your own nation or basic world history.

That is heresy. Christ was not "inserted." He was conceived. Words have meanings. You have apparently not caught onto that yet.

An opinion and nothing more. It is an uninformed opinion.

Have you even taken the liberty to look into a dictionary?

Yes. It is called a Bible. You have to study it.

 

I think I understand what you are saying here. When I pay for an item by debit, it is not really paid for at the time it is debited, but only when the actual transaction reaches the bank is the payment actually made on the purchase that I bought. Is that correct?

In other words you are straining at gnats.

 

jsn,

Children are an heritage of the Lord and the fruit of the womb His reward.

What right do you, or anyone else have to say when life begins when God gave that life?

The ovum and the sperm are both 'live cells' according to medical science. So, life is already in the two cells before the flesh is formed.

The baby is alive at conception because the cells are alive.

 

If the two cells that come together are not both alive, there is no conception. The life is there at the time of conception.

 

When conception occurred many women were told of their pregnancy before they knew. They would be told that their seed will accomplish many things or in Eve's and Mary's case their seed would bring in the Savior. This seed is Christ. He is not the seed of man. He is the seed of the woman.

Genesis 3:14&15
14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Her seed is not in reference to a conception of man. If it were the verse would have said it as the seed of man. It was the seed of the woman, Christ. Christ is not of man but of God by the woman. This is proof that the Hebrews knew of, the ovum, woman's seed.

Here's more;
Revelation 12:17
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

At conception, Hagar was sent out into the desert by Sarah and God met Hagar and said this;

4And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
5And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
6But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
7And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
8And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
9And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
10And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

Note that the LORD told her that she was going to have a son. Hagar, Sarah or Abraham could not have known that except that the LORD told them. Did they have sonograms? No.

More evidence that the woman carried seed.

Genesis 24:60
60And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.

Leviticus 12:1&2
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.

Numbers 5:28
28And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

Ruth 4:12
12And let thy house be like the house of Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the LORD shall give thee of this young woman.

1 Samuel 2:20
20And Eli blessed Elkanah and his wife, and said, The LORD give thee seed of this woman for the loan which is lent to the LORD. And they went unto their own home.

Again this encounter with Elizabeth show us what the Holy Spirit is capable of.

39And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
40And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
51He hath showed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

Note that Mary was with her for about 3 months. It was at this time that Joseph noticed that Mary was with child.

 

Ok, on your premise lets say there is no evidence that the writers of the Bible did not know of the ovum (woman's seed) or egg. That is fine, not that I except your conclusion but for the sake of your assessment, the ovum remained unknown until 1827.

Now your argument that "Life is in the blood". By your reasoning regarding the ovum it is fair too state that men did not know exactly what was in the blood that sustained life. If they could not isolate and view an ovum they could not isolate and view a red blood cell, white blood cell and all the other components of nutrients and waists in the blood stream. Furthermore they had no idea that within each red cell and white cell is life itself, the genetic code DNA.

At conception the sperm has penetrated the ovum. The half of chromosomes of the father and the other half of the mother are united at that very moment in a new individual human life that is now in his/her first stage of growth. In a
matter of hours that life has grown to many cells that carry the identity of that individual. It has it's own supply of nourishment until it attaches to the uterine wall. At that time it gets all of its nourishment from the mother. It never receives any of the mother's blood. The placenta filters the nutrients from the mothers blood. If the blood of the mother and the blood of the infant were to come in contact with each other there would be immune rejections that would be detrimental to mother and baby.

The Bible has it right that the life is in the blood. So too is that life present at conception. :godisgood:

Now please stop your support for the abolition of life.

 

Hm, I think I should check on something. --------------- Yepper, I'm still the same gender, at least that is what the profile says.

 

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