Light Sentence for Brock Turner in Stanford Rape Case Draws Outrage

[Crabtownboy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/u...ents-of-victim-and-attackers-father.html?_r=0

White privilege?

Six months for rape and worse. What would the sentence be for a young African American?

{Watching to see who blames the young woman}

 

[annsni]

This sentence is a travesty. Absolutely a travesty and I do agree that I think had he been black or hispanic, the sentence would have been worse.

 

[Zaac]

This sentence has got to be one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. Interfere with his studies? Consensual?"I think he will not be a danger to others". He raped someone. If you don't think he will be a danger to others, what's the purpose of putting him on the sexual predator list? What's the purpose in limiting where he can live?

The judge, identified by The Guardian as a Stanford alumnus, handed Mr. Turner, a champion swimmer, far less than the maximum 14 years after he was convicted, pointing out that he had no “significant” prior offenses, he had been affected by the intense media coverage, and “there is less moral culpability attached to the defendant, who is ... intoxicated,” The Guardian said.

He needs to be fired, recalled with a quickness. This is unconscionable.

Mr. Turner’s father said that his son should not do jail time for the sexual assault, which he referred to as “the events” and “20 minutes of action” that were not violent. He said that his son suffered from depression and anxiety in the wake of the trial and argued that having to register as a sex offender — and the loss of his appetite for food he once enjoyed — was punishment enough.

Stupidity is OBVIOUSLY hereditary. If his dad worked for me, I'd fire him on the spot. Yippee for At-will employment.

And I don't think that many reasonable people wouldn't venture that if Mr. Turner had been a minority and not privileged, he'd have been given a much stiffer sentence.

This entire story is just shameful on so many levels.

 

[777]

This yet another (criminal this time) case in California that the judge probably should've recused himself - this guy himself was a Stanford swimming star back in the day and it sounds like he identified a little too much with the rapist.

But what does people in that state expect? This guy was appointed then later elected by Moonbeam and it's a soft on crime state:

https://ballotpedia.org/California_...d_Penalties_for_Some_Crimes_Initiative_(2014)

because of all the illegal immigration, they just don't have the space. I think it wouldn't have mattered to the judge the color, he would've swooned over any fellow Stanford athlete given the history.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The judge involved is up for a retention election this November. If he had more than one opponent (he ran unopposed), he'd be a lame duck even as we speak.

 

[Zaac]

Stanford Had a Rape Every Two Weeks Before Brock Turner Was Caught
The elite college reported 26 sexual assaults in 2012, 2013, and 2014. Then 17 days into 2015 came the most shocking one in recent memory.
Stanford University reported a sexual assault every two weeks in the three years leading up to Brock Turner’s rape of an unconscious woman in 2015.

The elite college reported 26 rapes on campus in 2012, 2013, and 2014, according to data from the U.S. Department of Education, or about one sexual assault every 14 days.

Then, almost exactly two weeks into 2015, another woman was raped on campus.

On Jan. 17, 2015, Turner, a Stanford swimmer was caught raping the anonymous woman behind a dumpster when two eyewitnesses stopped the attack.

Turner, 20, was sentenced last week to six months in jail and three years of probation after being convicted of three felonies. The lenient sentence by Judge Aaron Persky has received harsh criticism, even leading to a potential recall effort.

Turner was not without controversy either. In a statement obtained by The Guardian, he told the judge that “party culture” had “shattered” him, causing him to assault the woman.

“The night of January 17th changed my life and the lives of everyone involved forever,” Turner wrote, adding that he’s lost two jobs based on the reports surrounding his criminal charges. “I wish I never was good at swimming or had the opportunity to attend Stanford, so maybe the newspapers wouldn’t want to write stories about me.

 

[righteousdude2]

What do you think???? You should answer your own question, before you expect others to jump in your OP.

I will say this ... a rapist deserves a lifetime of agony, for the lifetime of angst their act causes the victim to go through. However, we all know, especially where liberals are concerned, the victim and their feelings are not given the kind of thought and justice due them. I'm sure many feel worse for the rapist then the victim.

 

[Zaac]

What do you think???? You should answer your own question, before you expect others to jump in your OP.

I will say this ... a rapist deserves a lifetime of agony, for the lifetime of angst their act causes the victim to go through. However, we all know, especially where liberals are concerned, the victim and their feelings are not given the kind of thought and justice due them. I'm sure many feel worse for the rapist then the victim.

Your reply obviously came from some sort of Bizarro world as EVERYONE again with good sense already knows that blaming the victim is the calling card of the radical right. Look back and see how many times after police murdered unarmed black people how many on the radical right declared "If they'd just done what the police said" or something to the tune of "they got what they deserved".

After all it was a Missouri Republican, Todd Akin, who said something to the effect of that if a woman got pregnant, it wasn't rape because her body wanted it. He said something about a doctor telling him that the body has a way of keeping women from not getting pregnant if they are really raped.

Or as that courier, Bill O'Reilly, of the Fox News talking points did in 2006 when he said

“Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She’s walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she’s out of her mind, drunk.”

Or maybe we should look at what a conservative commentator for the WSJ said:

Conservative commentator James Taranto stirred up a hornets' nest by attempting to argue for a “balanced” approach to the college sexual assault crisis. His idea involves placing equal blame on rapists and their victims if both of them were drinking alcohol. Quoting a Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) article, Taranto writes: "if both parties are intoxicated during sex, they are both technically guilty of sexually assaulting each other." In practice it means that women, but not men, are absolved of responsibility by virtue of having consumed alcohol.

And Presidential nominee John Kasich advice to a female student concerned about sexual assault was: “Don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol.”

I'm sure liberals do at times do some victim blaming. But "conservatives" run the victim blaming wheelhouse.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

It's sad, but hardly surprising, that a thread concerning a judge's gross injustice to a rape victim appears to be turning into a Left versus Right. There are some who think all stupidity lies with those left of center, and others who think it's all right of the middle. IMO, both of those mindsets display stupid thinking, often by some (otherwise) very intelligent people. The real surprise to me was in post #4, that the judge had also been a star Stanford swimmer - definitely should've recused himself. Did the prosecutors make that motion? If not, they bear some of the blame for the injustice.

And yes, there was privilege involved, as it seems the kid's parents (father at least), had the "my kid can do no wrong" concept that is making the lives of teachers and coaches so stressful. I'm not sure it's a white/black thing, beyond the large difference in average incomes that limits how many Blacks can afford to live in tony upper-middle-class suburbs like the one where this guy grew up.

As for Kasich's comment, I'd ask where the line lies between common sense and misogyny. (Personally, I'd expand the recommendation to include both men and women, but that's another issue.) The state university from which I graduated once issued a caution that women under the influence should not walk alone after dark, drawing some intense criticism. To me, that's no different than advising people who walk along highways after dark to wear light-colored and/or reflective clothing. Stay safe.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

While we look at the bad news in this case, let's keep in mind there is some good news.

• The case did go to trial. The DA and police believed the victim.
• The perp was convicted. The jury believed the evidence presented to them was proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

In how many cases of rape did the above not occur.

 

[Zaac]

While we look at the bad news in this case, let's keep in mind there is some good news.

• The case did go to trial. The DA and police believed the victim.
• The perp was convicted. The jury believed the evidence presented to them was proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

In how many cases of rape did the above not occur.

Very true. SNIP

 

[Benjamin]

http://video.metro.co.uk/videos/32439484001/2015/10/32439484001_4583731424001_4583678641001.mp4

 

[righteousdude2]

Your reply obviously came from some sort of Bizarro world as EVERYONE again with good sense already knows that blaming the victim is the calling card of the radical right. Look back and see how many times after police murdered unarmed black people how many on the radical right declared "If they'd just done what the police said" or something to the tune of "they got what they deserved".

After all it was a Missouri Republican, Todd Akin, who said something to the effect of that if a woman got pregnant, it wasn't rape because her body wanted it. He said something about a doctor telling him that the body has a way of keeping women from not getting pregnant if they are really raped.

Or as that courier, Bill O'Reilly, of the Fox News talking points did in 2006 when he said



Or maybe we should look at what a conservative commentator for the WSJ said:

Conservative commentator James Taranto stirred up a hornets' nest by attempting to argue for a “balanced” approach to the college sexual assault crisis. His idea involves placing equal blame on rapists and their victims if both of them were drinking alcohol. Quoting a Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) article, Taranto writes: "if both parties are intoxicated during sex, they are both technically guilty of sexually assaulting each other." In practice it means that women, but not men, are absolved of responsibility by virtue of having consumed alcohol.

And Presidential nominee John Kasich advice to a female student concerned about sexual assault was: “Don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol.”

I'm sure liberals do at times do some victim blaming. But "conservatives" run the victim blaming wheelhouse.

You LOVE to play that "race" card no matter the issue or topic. Shame on you again, and again and again!

 

[righteousdude2]

It's sad, but hardly surprising, that a thread concerning a judge's gross injustice to a rape victim appears to be turning into a Left versus Right. There are some who think all stupidity lies with those left of center, and others who think it's all right of the middle. IMO, both of those mindsets display stupid thinking, often by some (otherwise) very intelligent people. The real surprise to me was in post #4, that the judge had also been a star Stanford swimmer - definitely should've recused himself. Did the prosecutors make that motion? If not, they bear some of the blame for the injustice.

It's sad, but hardly surprising, that a thread concerning a judge's gross injustice to a rape victim appears to be turning into a Left versus Right. There are some who think all stupidity lies with those left of center, and others who think it's all right of the middle. IMO, both of those mindsets display stupid thinking, often by some (otherwise) very intelligent people. The real surprise to me was in post #4, that the judge had also been a star Stanford swimmer - definitely should've recused himself. Did the prosecutors make that motion? If not, they bear some of the blame for the injustice.

And yes, there was privilege involved, as it seems the kid's parents (father at least), had the "my kid can do no wrong" concept that is making the lives of teachers and coaches so stressful. I'm not sure it's a white/black thing, beyond the large difference in average incomes that limits how many Blacks can afford to live in tony upper-middle-class suburbs like the one where this guy grew up.

As for Kasich's comment, I'd ask where the line lies between common sense and misogyny. (Personally, I'd expand the recommendation to include both men and women, but that's another issue.) The state university from which I graduated once issued a caution that women under the influence should not walk alone after dark, drawing some intense criticism. To me, that's no different than advising people who walk along highways after dark to wear light-colored and/or reflective clothing. Stay safe.

Very true. SNIP[/QUOTE
And yes, there was privilege involved, as it seems the kid's parents (father at least), had the "my kid can do no wrong" concept that is making the lives of teachers and coaches so stressful. I'm not sure it's a white/black thing, beyond the large difference in average incomes that limits how many Blacks can afford to live in tony upper-middle-class suburbs like the one where this guy grew up.

As for Kasich's comment, I'd ask where the line lies between common sense and misogyny. (Personally, I'd expand the recommendation to include both men and women, but that's another issue.) The state university from which I graduated once issued a caution that women under the influence should not walk alone after dark, drawing some intense criticism. To me, that's no different than advising people who walk along highways after dark to wear light-colored and/or reflective clothing. Stay safe.

AGREED! Great observation. This continues to the pattern by the author of the OP.

 

[annsni]

What is really sad is that friend of mine who have been raped have really been struggling with this - with the memories of their own rape and only one had the perp pay for his crime. Others didn't press charges because of this very thing that we see that happened at the trial and the results and others had the case thrown out because for some reason, they were "at fault" for being raped.

 

[Zaac]

You LOVE to play that "race" card no matter the issue or topic. Shame on you again, and again and again!

Go talk to your boy, Donald, about playing the race card.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You LOVE to play that "race" card no matter the issue or topic.

Do you believe a young black man would have gotten only 6 months for rape.

.

 

[Alcott]

Do you believe a young black man would have gotten only 6 months for rape.

Black athletes convicted of sexual assault....the one on the Baltimore Ravens, a couple at Baylor right now, and going back tothe 90s's and Lawrence Phillips at Nebraska, who was reinstated to play the national championship game. Their sentences were comparable to this guy's, or even less. "Can th ey help us win?" seems to be the factor in how they are seen by their institutions, and who knows what goes on 'behind the scenes' in influencing judges and the system.

BTW have you posted about this current case at Baylor, or these others that involved black athletes? I know the answer, of course, but-- why not?

 

[righteousdude2]

What is really sad is that friend of mine who have been raped have really been struggling with this - with the memories of their own rape and only one had the perp pay for his crime. Others didn't press charges because of this very thing that we see that happened at the trial and the results and others had the case thrown out because for some reason, they were "at fault" for being raped.

Like I said. For the rapist, it is a short sentence. For the victim, it is a lifetime of pain, anger, fear, distrust. Suspects deserve a sentence that equals the long term pain they cause.

 

[righteousdude2]

Do you believe a young black man would have gotten only 6 months for rape.

.

Like everything else in life, it depends on the black man. If he is a star athlete, the answer is "no!" If he is from the ghetto, the answer is "yes." He'd get six months plus the key would be lost.