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Featured Limited Spiritual Ability of the Fallen

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Oct 6, 2020.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Still ignoring all the verses showing people seeking God. I kid you not...
     
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    No obfuscation, just another observation that you are the only one using words the way that you use them. I went looking for references to "spiritual milk" and the KJV/NKJV had ZERO places where that phrase was used. So I expanded the search and found that "spiritual milk" only appears in one other place (1 Peter 2:2) and the "spiritual milk" in 1 Peter is NOT the Gospel. So only YOU appear to call the Gospel "spiritual milk" and build an entire dogma upon that definition.

    That hardly seems "off topic" and, frankly, your response to having your misuse of scripture pointed out is the true "obfuscation". Why don't you just address why you think "spiritual milk" and the "gospel" are synonymous?
     
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    Still rejecting what God said in Romans 3. I kid you not.
     
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    As an aside, I already responded that people seek gods all the time, but they just can't find Him without God's help. Ask any JW or Mormon or Islam or Hindu or New Age guru. There are millions of wrong (human) paths that make sense ... and one "foolish" path that men reject until the Father DRAWS them.

    So which group are you attempting to build your case on ... the crowd that followed Jesus because He fed them and never understood, or the Eunuch that God was drawing to the Son and sent Phillip to deliver the truth to a spirit-prepared heart?
     
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    I think that is what you are saying.

    If you think Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection "DID SOMETHING" to everything, including every lost person, and placed them in a State of Being where 'dead' didn't matter, then yes, a dead rock is not possessed of any Olympic inability.

    However, Jesus', Death, Burial, and Resurrection "DID SOMETHING", for His Elect, ONLY.

    The lost that are, 'the rest', who are, 'left', were in the EXACT State of Being that they are now, IF JESUS HAD NEVER DIED, BEEN BURIED, OR RESURRECTED.

    Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection "DID NOTHING" to the lost.

    Jesus DID NOT PLAN to Die for them, in ANY WAY
    & Jesus Did NOT Die for the lost, in any way.

    The lost were bound for Hell, are bound for Hell, and are going to Hell, if they are not there already.

    They were Spiritually DEAD. And remained Spiritually DEAD.
    EVERY SOUL THAT JESUS DID NOT, SPECIFICALLY, DIE FOR
    REMAINS SPIRITUALLY DEAD. (Matthew 1:21)

    Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection "DID NOT GIVE" ANY Spiritual Ability to The Spiritually DEAD and then leave them lost.

    Jesus DID NOT "DIE", in any sense, for The Non-Elect.

    The lost were perfectly capable of Going to Hell IF JESUS HAD NEVER COME TO EARTH.

    Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection "DID NOT DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT to THE NON-ELECT", any more than it 'Gave Fallen Angels a chance'.

    Nope.
     
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    Regurgitating gibberish does not move the ball.
    The topic is the evidence for the Limited Spiritual Ability of the Fallen.
    You can say, taint so, but please stop copy and pasting reams of smokescreed.

    Matthew 23:13 for example


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    In Matthew 23, Jesus is speaking prophetically against the scribes and Pharisee's. He proclaims the prophetic woe upon them.

    Matthew 23:1-13,15-36 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear,and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbiby others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hellas yourselves. “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

    Van, you really need to understand what Jesus is saying in this chapter, because it isn't what you are teaching.
     
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    On and on the Calvinists copy and paste large amounts of text to lengthen the thread so as to get it closed, Vicious and vindictive behavior to hide the truth that the fallen have the limited spiritual ability to seek God and trust in Christ.
     
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    "But woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites
    for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are
    entering to go in:"

    I can't beat that, for a better reply by you, Van, but when I repost what you say, you report me and have me banned from the Board; just for repeating back and quoting your Scripture reference.

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    The scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, also, saw The Gospel as puke and stopped others from hearing The Gospel.

    Nothing to do with anything about Atonement, Ability, or Salvation, at all, in that verse.

    Just Total Depravity and the influence of those with Total Depravity discouraging others with Total Depravity from hearing what they consider, "Puke".
     
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    More smokescreed, copy and pasting posts without information concerning the topic.
     
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    Sad how you ignore Matthew 23 when it is shared with you. Your prejudice is obvious.
     
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    Six hour warning
    This thread will be closed no sooner than 530 am EDT (Mon) 230 am (PDT)
     
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