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Looking to Daytona

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by ccrobinson, Feb 5, 2007.

  1. Bob Alkire

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    He was as cool as any driver that I've seen. He would stay back all day, until you got near the end, then here he came. He has said many times, the only lap he cared to lead was the last lap, it paid the money.
     
  2. Bob Alkire

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    If I recall correctly Curtis' problem was drink, women and wanting to get the union into NASCAR.
     
  3. ccrobinson

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    Curtis' attempts at unionizing the drivers was why Nascar banned him. I don't think they much cared one way or the other about the other stuff.

    Yep, and it's about time somebody said something. Long-time fans have said it; DW said it over the winter; and Mike Joy all but says it when he says, "We'll show you the debris if we find it". What's it going to take for somebody to listen?

    Maybe Nascar will do something about it, but as long as the seats are getting filled enough to turn a profit, and as long as the TV money is there to turn a profit, they're not going to do anything. They'll do exactly what Jim Hunter did, which is to turn the conversation to something else and ignore the real point.

    Everybody else may be afraid of the emperor, but that doesn't change the fact that he's naked.
     
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    We've certainly had conversation on this thread earlier in the year about "phantom debris" cautions. This is a real issue. But, why did Stewart bring this up now? He complained about fake cautions but stated that the last caution, which put Gordon in position to defeat Stewart was, in his words, the only legitimate caution of the race. In other words, Stewart did not lose a race because of a caution, he lost because Gordon beat him. Why did he leave without speaking to the media, as he is supposed to, after the race? He says he was upset over the unnecessary cautions. Sorry, but I don't believe him. I think he was mad that he got beat and left because he was angry. That's why I say that his complaint about the cautions is simply sour grapes.
     
  6. Bob Alkire

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    Tony, like him or not, he will say what is own his mind. On a sports show up in Charlotte that I try and get but it is hard to listen to the entire show at times, Packman, I think is the name of it, comes on at around 3PM. Most of the writers who come on the show and ex drivers agree with Tony on this one.

    But this isn't new, back when Dale was at 5 championships the talk was how many things would NASCAR do to help him win the 7 or more. They said it put seats in the stands for him to get to or pass the King.

    I know Cale got mad about it a time or two when he was running as did Tim Richmond. This isn't new at all, but when you get on the front page, you have to clean up or go the way of the Indy cars, very few care what goes on there.

    I don't know what was going on in Tony's mind, I don't even know what is going on in mind most of the time, but I'll take his word for it.
     
  7. ccrobinson

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    Really? I never heard anything like that. At the time, Al Gore hadn't invented the Internet yet, and we got precious little Nascar news here in Yankee-land.
     
  8. Bob Alkire

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    Anytime you have a sport that the rules change from week to week, there is talk. I believe it was back in the 60's when the Ford came out with the fast back(1963) and for a short amount of time Ford was winning everything or almost on the larger tracks, some say what Jr. Johnson did was unreal or did he have help? It is just part of NASCAR.

    Tim Flock is the first I recall who said NASCAR worked things around to their way. It made money. True or not, I don't know, but the talk goes back to the 50's with me and they started in the late 40's.
     
  9. Tom Bryant

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    Can you imagine if George Steinbrenner questioned the integrity of baseball? They would fine him huige dollars. But all Nascar will say is that they are disappointed and that there are plenty of other drivers who want to race in Nascar.

    Talk about a weak response! Their reaction says to me that there must be something to Stewart's comments.

    As to his comments just being sour grapes, the fact that he said the last caution in which he got beat was the legitimate caution, adds more credibility to him. He didn't say that he lost because of the cautions.

    Dale Sr's comments to the press when he lost were almost inevitably short and often profane.
     
  10. ccrobinson

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    Not only that, but the wording of their response suggests it as well.

    I know what you're thinking of, the aftermath of the '89 fall North Wilkesboro race when he and Rudd tangled on the last lap. Yeah, Earnhardt's post-race interview was full of profanity. But, wow, what a finish.

    BTW, ESPN Classic replays that race every once in a while, and if you a) get ESPN Classic, and b) have the time, I highly recommend watching that race. What an incredible finish. When the incident happens, Bob Jenkins' voice goes up at least a full octave. It was very exciting.
     
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    That was the one I was thinking of. But I was also thinking of his classic, "Anything other than first stinks" {not his word} But any race the Intimidator was in was exciting.

    That's why I like Stewart, he's more like Dale Sr than most others.
     
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    So there I was keeping one end of the couch down with my oldest son holding down his end while we were watching the Busch series run at Talladaga this afternoon. Kyle Busch takes a wild ride on his roof right up to the point when he hit the grass... then it was more like roof, door, 2 tires, door, hood, roof...

    My sons says, "Ain't that the Busch brother they call Shrub? Being a man of few words I reply, "Yup." "Probably," says the son, "they'll be calling him Tumbleweed now." :D

    Nice finish. Labonte leads 200 yards and takes the checker (and the check).
     
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  13. ccrobinson

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    Not that I think anybody looks forward to them at all, but in case I'm wrong, if you're expecting to see Talladega notes this morning, you're going to be disappointed.

    My wife had the laptop (imagine her grading papers when I have important things to do! :smilewinkgrin: ), so I took notes by hand and didn't bring them with me today.

    Japanese Fruit Inspection
    Who's seen Days of Thunder? I didn't like the movie all that much, but there is a scene that I think is appropriate in light of what's going on with Tony Stewart. When they finally get on the track together, Cole and Rowdy (those are terrible names, even for a movie) constantly beat on each other and wreck each other. It gets to be so bad that Not Bill France, played by Fred Thompson, calls them together for a meeting.

    Not Bill: If you two wanna turn yourselves into a greasy spot out on a country road somewhere, go right ahead. I don't {care} [sic] and I don't think anybody else does, but you two monkeys are not going to do it on my racetrack. You ever heard of a "Japanese Inspection?" Japanese Inspection, you see, when the Japs take in a load of lettuce they're not sure they wanna let in the country, why they'll just let it sit there on the dock 'til they get good and ready to look at, But then of course, it's all gone rotten... ain't nothing left to inspect. You see, lettuce is a perishable item... like you two monkeys. You trade paint one more time, you so much as touch, I'm gonna Black Flag the two of you, and tear apart your racecars for three-hundred laps. Then, if you pass inspection and you put your cars back together, I might let you back into the race."

    After that meeting, wouldn't you know it that the 2 didn't wreck each other anymore?

    Put it another way.

    I know a fella who went to a certain university one time and really liked it. But, his grades were awful, and after one semester, he was called into the academic dean's office.

    AD: Son, do you like it here?
    Student: Yes, sir, I do.
    AD: Would you like to stay?

    What are the odds that Nascar sat Tony down and asked, "Son, do you like to race in our series? Would you like to keep on racing?"

    We knew it was coming
    Every Earnhardt fan with half a brain, and, admittedly, there don't seem to be that many, knew that Jeff Gordon was going to pass him for wins someday. Considering that Jeff was so young when he had seasons with 7,10,10 and 13 wins from 95 to 98, it was only a matter of time before he passed Earnhardt. It was inevitable. That doesn't mean anybody's happy about it. I don't have anything kind to say about the morons throwing beer cans at him after the race.
     
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    I am no fan of Gordon, but it is ridiculous that fans would throw anything at him on the track.
     
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    That was a good race. It was a typical Talledega race.

    Congratulations to Gordon for the win. He should be able to move to third on the all-time list sometime next year.

    Rumor has it that DEI is negotiation with Robert Yates Racing for some type of merger between the two organizations. There are lots of hurdles here, not the least of which is that one organization runs Chevy and the other runs Ford. The engine building prowess of Yates combined with the aerodynamics of DEI would make for some potent teams. I think it shows that Theresa is trying to make DEI a viable force in NASCAR if they lose Jr. as a driver. My guess is that it is becoming more likely that he will leave DEI.
     
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    Isn't the Daytona 500 where the prettiest 500 girls are ranked during their spring break trip to Daytona?
     
  17. ccrobinson

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    A few odds and ends

    I found my Tally notes and thought I'd mention a few things about the race.

    Draft tips from the Miami Dolphins
    In homage to the NFL draft, Chris Myers asked DW and Hammond who they would draft if they were starting a team, but they couldn't choose Stewart, Gordon or Johnson. I don't remember who DW chose, but Hammond chose Carl Edwards. Carl Edwards? Really? He had a good 05, a bad 06, and he's done nothing in 07. I'm choosing Kenseth or Hamlin myself.

    I kindof understand not picking Junior because, let's face it guys, Junior doesn't have the talent his Daddy did. I think Dale Jr is an above average driver, but I don't foresee him ever winning anything but a handful of races here and there. I think his career will end with him having won about 25 races or so, and 0 championships. I hope I'm wrong.

    Yellow Line Rule
    Have I ever said how much I don't like the yellow line rule? Well, I don't.

    Kenseth is good at Talladega, supposedly
    I think it was one of the pit reporters who said how good Matt Kenseth is at Talladega. Look, when a driver wins more than 1 race at a track, and Kenseth has never won at Talladega, then you're allowed to tell us how good he is at said track.

    Bowyer's wreck
    Clint Bowyer smacks the wall and then, 2 laps later, crashes because of tire failure. What's going on with the #07 team that he doesn't come in after slamming the wall?

    There's no doubt who's winning
    This must have been what it was like for the ABE fans to watch Dale Earnhardt at Talladega and just know that he was going to win.

    Sammy's in the closet
    Hey, did you guys know there's a #55 Napa Toyota? That car's like Bigfoot. We hear rumors about it, but nobody sees it on raceday.

    Take my mother-in-law, please
    So, the guy is driving his MIL home to stay with them and his car dies in front of a nursing home. That would totally be me, except I would stop at the nursing home on purpose.

    Casey Mears and the Curse of the #25
    I think the #25 car is cursed. That team has always been the red-headed stepchild of Hendrick Motorsports. Apologies to those of you who were red-headed stepchildren and it was never a problem for you.

    Just think if you were hired to drive the #25 car.

    Your agent: I've got good news and bad news.
    You: Let's have the good news.
    Your agent: You've been hired to drive for Hendrick Motorsports.
    You: Awesome! What's the bad news?
    Your agent: You're going to be driving the #25 car.
    You: :BangHead:

    It just doesn't matter
    How many rule changes have been implemented by Nascar to keep the cars from hitting the "magical" 200 mph speed on the track? I have no idea, but for all the rules they've implemented, we saw several cars hit 200 on Sunday. The innovation and ability of these teams is remarkable.

    Tires on pit road
    I don't remember which team let their right-rear tire roll away, but I know they got their butts chewed out for it on Monday. Speaking of that rule, I will always maintain that somebody left a tire out on purpose for Dale Earnhardt to hit in the first Daytona night race. He didn't see it, hit it, and it ruined his car. I guarantee you he would have won that race.

    If I'm the leader, I want that guy to be 2nd
    The tators went on about Jamie McMurray running 2nd and how many races it had been since he won, how hungry he was to win, blah blah blah. If there's anybody I want to see running 2nd behind me late in the race, it's Jamie McMurray. If I've got McMurray running 2nd behind me, that's a sure win for me.
     
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    I think the 25 car is an R&D car.

    A couple of weeks ago, all the Hendrick cars had the usual Chevy engine except the 25 which was running the new Chevy engine.

    I remember years after Neil Bonnet stopped driving for Jr. Johnson, he said that he was told, after he joined the team, that his car was an R&D car but he was not to say anything about it or complain. IMHO, Casey Mears has the same kind of deal.
     
  19. ccrobinson

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    Richmond

    Saturday night
    I think the only thing that needs to be said about Saturday night is this. Enough of the green/yellow nonsense to start a race. Either the conditions are good enough to race or they're not.


    Sunday
    We got home from church right in the middle of the national anthem. Which leads me to 2 questions. #1, what was the best national anthem you ever heard? Mine was Whitney Houston at Super Bowl XXV. #2, what was the worst national anthem you ever heard? Mine was the 1998 race at Las Vegas when some girl shrilly screeched out the national anthem. We spent the afternoon trying to scrape the cat off the ceiling after that one.

    Confused air
    Larry Mac said, "The air is confused. It doesn't know where to go." Huh?

    Creepy Spiderman guy
    In the commercial with the grown man wearing the Spiderman commercial, that guy looks just like a well-known former Christian singer from years gone by. Who does he look like?

    Montoya-Newman Trend
    Is Newman taking Montoya out a trend? Newman took him out at Homestead last year, and took him out yesterday. Trend?

    Harvick leading
    I don't remember whether they said anything about it or not, but Harvick dominated last year's race until a bad decision to not pit with everybody else late, coupled with having to make a pit stop on the next caution put him too far back to win.

    Anybody paying attention?
    And, just like that, Harvick gets taken out. I would have thought somebody's only job at that point would be to watch for a car to do just what Ragan did. BTw, not to imply that Ragan had anything to do with this, because it wasn't his fault at all. Larry Mac laid that at the feet of Todd Berrier, and I agree. Maybe it was the spotter's job, but the crew chief needs to be on top of that situation, and Berrier wasn't.

    Are we sure this is Richmond?
    With all the beating and banging, this race looked more like Martinsville than it did Richmond.

    Frenchman on the track... again
    Another phantom debris caution. Loved Fox's shot of the frontstretch looking for the debris. Mike Joy didn't have to say anything. There was no debris on the frontstretch.

    Nascar is like pro wrestling? Oh, no no no, of course not, no siree.

    24.. is it over yet?
    Fox promotes 24 again and I'm just so sick of that show this season. I know it's become an overused phrase, but 24 has jumped the shark.

    He got 2 with that one
    Jeff Green took out both Dale Jr and Biffle. Nice work, Jeff. What's bad is that everybody knows Green isn't any good, and they give him plenty of room, and he still takes them out.

    The Amazing Thing
    The most amazing thing about the Napa RFID chip commercial isn't that it contains all Napa parts and has mp3s too. The most amazing thing is Dale Jarrett asking about hip-hop music.

    Pizza, pizza
    About the Pizza the Hut commercial where they congratulate themselves for being so good, here's the thing. Pizza the Hut does have good pizza. No question about that. But, it's also greasier than most. I love Padre Juan's because it's great pizza without all the grease of Pizza the Hut.

    Best restart in Nascar
    Who's got the best restart in Nascar? For years, it's been Jeff Gordon. Today, Kyle Busch is challenging for that title.

    More Jeff Green
    DW said that he doesn't know why Jeff Green is up there messing with those drivers on the lead lap late in the race. I know why. It's because he doesn't know what he's doing out there and has no business driving a Cup car.

    This was a good race, even though Nascar threw a phony caution.

    Thus ends the Rick Hendrick Invitational 400.
     
  20. ccrobinson

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    He's leaving

    http://www.thatsracin.com/247/story/4129.html

    Dale Jr is reportedly having a press conference this morning to announce he's leaving DEI. I'm going to go through the list of teams and make a guess as to where he lands. I'm only going to consider Chevy teams because I think they'll move heaven and earth before letting any other manufacturer get him. I look for a huge push from Toyota. Jr would give them instant credibility.

    JR Motorsports - From what I've read, he doesn't want to be an owner/driver ala Alan Kulwicki, Ricky Rudd, Darrell Waltrip, etc. I say those reports are right and he won't start his own Cup team.

    Hendrick Motorsports - Rick Hendrick has a pretty good lineup of drivers. The only weak link is Casey Mears, but I don't see him a) firing Casey to put Jr in that car and b) Jr taking the #25 ride.

    RCR - This one makes a ton of sense. I don't know if he'll drive the 3 car, but I think it's a sure thing that he won't be in the #8 either. The number belongs to the owner, and don't you think that Teresa won't mind sort of sticking it to him and keeping that number for DEI's use?

    Joe Gibbs - This one makes sense too. If they want to put him in an established team, the 18 is there already and JJ Yeley hasn't done much in that car. But, if Gibbs doesn't want to let JJ go, he has room, like RCR does, for a 4th team.

    Ginn Racing, Morgan-McClure, Hall of Fame Racing - There's no way Jr goes to a lesser team when he could easily land at either RCR or JGR.

    I think either RCR or JGR would be a good fit for him. While he still has the name to live up to, he wouldn't have the pressure of carrying an entire company, which I think would be huge. For sentimental reasons, RCR has the leg up, and considering Jr's fondness for history and honoring such history, I think RCR is where he'll land, taking Budweiser with him.

    Prediction
    I think we'll see Dale Jr driving a Red #3 Budweiser car for RCR in 2008.
     
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