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Looking to Daytona
- Thread starter ccrobinson
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The Sears Point race was one of the best races I have seen in a long time. There was no stroking at the finish. The guys--Gordon, Stewart, Edwards, and Hamlin were going for the win at the end. Congratulations to Stewart for the win. Few have been the occasions when a driver pushed Gordon so hard that he made a mistake and lost a race, but Stewart accomplished this on Sunday. I think the the COT also added to the competitiveness of the race. I hope that Stewart and Gordon are the prime contenders for the championship in the Chase. If they are, it should be an exciting end to this season.
PastorSBC1303
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swaimj said:I hope that Stewart and Gordon are the prime contenders for the championship in the Chase. If they are, it should be an exciting end to this season.
I would love to see this. The top 2 drivers today battling each other for the cup!
ccrobinson
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Sears Point? Uh, swaim, I hate to break to you, ol' buddy, but that was Watkins Glen yesterday. :wavey:
I worked until 3am Sunday and was so tired after church that I slept through most of the race. I woke up with 25 to go, and although Master of the Obvious Brad Daugherty was in fine form, I tuned both of them out.
I'm abdicating my presidency of the BB chapter of the Anybody But Stewart Fan Club. To be president would mean I would have to root for Jeff Gordon, and I can't bring myself to do that.
It's time for Dale Jr to just bail and go get in the #5 car. :BangHead:
I don't have any problem whatsoever with Harvick getting upset about that incident. I also don't have any problem with Montoya standing up for himself, pushing Harvick away, etc. Harvick didn't know what had happened, and he certainly wasn't going to listen to anything Montoya said about it. However, my beef is with Jerry Punch. Throughout that confrontation, Punch was saying stuff like, "You don't want to get Harvick mad." Huh? Montoya is supposed to back down from Harvick because he's afraid of him? Montoya isn't afraid of anybody. What a dumb thing to say. Normally, I like Jerry, but he just needed to be quiet there. Besides, if Harvick is as much of a tough guy that Punch made him out to be, then he could have proven it by taking his helmet off and inviting Montoya to do the same.
One of the best races of the year.
I worked until 3am Sunday and was so tired after church that I slept through most of the race. I woke up with 25 to go, and although Master of the Obvious Brad Daugherty was in fine form, I tuned both of them out.
I'm abdicating my presidency of the BB chapter of the Anybody But Stewart Fan Club. To be president would mean I would have to root for Jeff Gordon, and I can't bring myself to do that.
It's time for Dale Jr to just bail and go get in the #5 car. :BangHead:
I don't have any problem whatsoever with Harvick getting upset about that incident. I also don't have any problem with Montoya standing up for himself, pushing Harvick away, etc. Harvick didn't know what had happened, and he certainly wasn't going to listen to anything Montoya said about it. However, my beef is with Jerry Punch. Throughout that confrontation, Punch was saying stuff like, "You don't want to get Harvick mad." Huh? Montoya is supposed to back down from Harvick because he's afraid of him? Montoya isn't afraid of anybody. What a dumb thing to say. Normally, I like Jerry, but he just needed to be quiet there. Besides, if Harvick is as much of a tough guy that Punch made him out to be, then he could have proven it by taking his helmet off and inviting Montoya to do the same.
One of the best races of the year.
Yes, Watkins Glen. :thumbs:Sears Point? Uh, swaim, I hate to break to you, ol' buddy, but that was Watkins Glen yesterday.
I'd like to see those two in equal cars on a road course, to determine who is the best Nascar driver alive.
An aside: Nascar needs another AJ Foyt, a character who's ferocity I miss. OK my bad.
An aside: Nascar needs another AJ Foyt, a character who's ferocity I miss. OK my bad.
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PastorSBC1303
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hillclimber1 said:I'd like to see those two in equal cars on a road course, to determine who is the best Nascar driver alive.
Ummm I think we just had that, and Gordon choked and lost to Stewart. :thumbs:
ccrobinson
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So, Jr won't be driving a #8 next season. I don't think I care that much, but I think what it does is to show how bad of a relationship that Junior and Teresa have. She asked for a share of licensing revenues and while I'm sure it would be worth millions, it would also keep her in some sort of control over him. He should have left DEI 2 years ago.
Bob Alkire
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ccrobinson said:So, Jr won't be driving a #8 next season. I don't think I care that much, but I think what it does is to show how bad of a relationship that Junior and Teresa have.
The question is still how good is he. Down here, from the papers and radio, most same he is middle of the road to upper fourth of the middle of the road.
Just asking is he as good as a Rudd or a Burton( Jeff or Ward) or a Martin or who?
PastorSBC1303
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Yall think he will have #5 or will he go with a different number? I know on the prerace show today they talked of possibly #33 or #88 or even #3.
ccrobinson
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The question is still how good is he.
I don't think anybody knows the answer to that question. He does have 17 wins, which means above average to me. Furthermore, it appears that the car owner doesn't have, and hasn't had, everybody pulling in the same direction, which makes it pretty tough to win in Cup racing against the likes of Hendrick, who is the current gold-standard in team ownership.
It speaks volumes that Rick Hendrick let Kyle Busch go so that he could sign Junior. Hendrick has achieved the status that Junior Johnson used to have. If you can't win driving for Hendrick, you can't win.
I know on the prerace show today they talked of possibly #33 or #88 or even #3.
Did this come from Rusty or Daugherty? Because it sounds like something stupid that Daugherty would say. Before I talk about the number, I want to mention again what a terrible idea it was to put Brad Daugherty on the Nascar team. I started to watch some of it when they had Biffle on, and Daugherty started to go on about how Biffle and Doug Richert were so good last year and I started complaining to the TV that Biffle's best season was 2005 and that he was terrible in 2006. At that point, I muted it. Daugherty's an embarrassment on the Nascar team.
Anyway, if it came from either of them, I would discount it immediately as untrue. And, we know at least part of that is untrue already. RCR leases the #3 and Childress will pay that lease in perpetuity and never use it before giving it up. Junior himself said he wants an 8, so the #33 is right out. I suspect that Robert Yates still leases the #88, so that would be out too. BTW, this would be something they could check on, couldn't it? Even suggesting the #3 proves that those guys don't know anything.
I'm guessing the number will be #81. Where's DW when we need him? DW said back in June that Junior wouldn't have Budweiser as a sponsor and he was right, so I'm curious about what DW has to say about the car number.
Observations after Michagan:
Bobby Labonte went from 17th to 9th in the last 20 laps and from 20th to 9th in the last thirty. I heard no mention of this from the announcers.
Toyota is only lacking some competent drivers now and they can win a race. Vickers car was very racy on Sunday...er...uh...Tuesday.
Earnhardt Jr. showed why, IMHO, he is not a top-tier driver. The disgusted reaction among his crewmen after he overshot his pit said it all. I just don't think he has the killer instinct at critical times to get the job done.
First, Stewart was on a tear; now K Busch is. I think the Chase is going to be VERY competitive.
Bobby Labonte went from 17th to 9th in the last 20 laps and from 20th to 9th in the last thirty. I heard no mention of this from the announcers.
Toyota is only lacking some competent drivers now and they can win a race. Vickers car was very racy on Sunday...er...uh...Tuesday.
Earnhardt Jr. showed why, IMHO, he is not a top-tier driver. The disgusted reaction among his crewmen after he overshot his pit said it all. I just don't think he has the killer instinct at critical times to get the job done.
First, Stewart was on a tear; now K Busch is. I think the Chase is going to be VERY competitive.
ccrobinson
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It's just indicative of the fact that not everybody on that team, from the car owner down, is pulling in the same direction.
I wish I could say that Junior was a top-tier driver, but he hasn't shown it, for whatever reason, since 2004. Junior does have a lot to prove in 2008.
I wish I could say that Junior was a top-tier driver, but he hasn't shown it, for whatever reason, since 2004. Junior does have a lot to prove in 2008.
Wow! Did they change Bristol or what?!? Between the change in the race track, which now has two grooves (at least), and the COT, which kindof prevents the bump-and-run, last nights race at Bristol was far different from any race I've ever seen at Bristol. In the old days, if you had a fast car, you still had to use the "chrome horn" to get to the front because there was only one groove. Last night, if you had a fast car, you could find a groove and go forward. Denny Hapmlin did it. Tony Stewart did it. There were some others that did it. You could find a lane where you could pass. This eliminated the "rash-of-cautions" feature that Bristol was famous for and it eliminated the "drivers-losing-their-temper" syndrome as well. It was a good race and it was pretty competitive, but it definitely was not the Bristol of old.
Comments about ESPN's coverage. The above analysis completely escaped ESPN's announcers. It was very obvious to me early in the race that the nature of a race at Bristol had changed. Late in the race, however, Wallace, Punch, et al were eagerly anticipating an explosion of tempers. That just wasn't going to happen.
They also missed a major event in their analysis of the race. Late in the race Jeff Gordon pitted under the green flag and, while he was in the pits, the caution came out trapping him a lap down. I realized this immediately. In my mind, when this happens to Gordon, as well as he was running, it is a major story and should be covered. It took the announcers about 30 laps to realize what had happened. I can't imagine that Darrell Waltrip, Benny Parsons, or Wally Dallenbach would have missed the significance of that or would have failed to announce it.
Comments about ESPN's coverage. The above analysis completely escaped ESPN's announcers. It was very obvious to me early in the race that the nature of a race at Bristol had changed. Late in the race, however, Wallace, Punch, et al were eagerly anticipating an explosion of tempers. That just wasn't going to happen.
They also missed a major event in their analysis of the race. Late in the race Jeff Gordon pitted under the green flag and, while he was in the pits, the caution came out trapping him a lap down. I realized this immediately. In my mind, when this happens to Gordon, as well as he was running, it is a major story and should be covered. It took the announcers about 30 laps to realize what had happened. I can't imagine that Darrell Waltrip, Benny Parsons, or Wally Dallenbach would have missed the significance of that or would have failed to announce it.
ccrobinson
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On the simracing board I'm on, fans complained bitterly about changing Bristol, even though the track had deteriorated to the point that the "racing" was pretty lousy. It was very apparent early on that the changes made the track so much better. There was 2-wide, and sometimes 3-wide, racing all around the track from the drop of the green flag.
I started to keep track of dumb things said by ESPN announcers, but I lost interest in keeping up with it because it would have meant arguing with the TV all night. During the pace laps, Rusty Wallace actually said, "I can't imagine what's going through the minds of these drivers right now." Uh, Rusty, weren't you a driver for nearly 2 decades? Didn't you win several races at Bristol? You, of all people in the booth, should know exactly what's going through the mind of a driver before a race. I can't imagine why he said that.
Andy Petree, who I thought was doing pretty good early on, is degenerating. About the only one who I find interesting week-in and week-out is Tim Brewer.
You're exactly right. None of those guys would have missed it. ESPN, with the exception of Tim Brewer, has brought out the C team amongst the 3 networks.
I started to keep track of dumb things said by ESPN announcers, but I lost interest in keeping up with it because it would have meant arguing with the TV all night. During the pace laps, Rusty Wallace actually said, "I can't imagine what's going through the minds of these drivers right now." Uh, Rusty, weren't you a driver for nearly 2 decades? Didn't you win several races at Bristol? You, of all people in the booth, should know exactly what's going through the mind of a driver before a race. I can't imagine why he said that.
Andy Petree, who I thought was doing pretty good early on, is degenerating. About the only one who I find interesting week-in and week-out is Tim Brewer.
I can't imagine that Darrell Waltrip, Benny Parsons, or Wally Dallenbach would have missed the significance of that or would have failed to announce it.
You're exactly right. None of those guys would have missed it. ESPN, with the exception of Tim Brewer, has brought out the C team amongst the 3 networks.
ccrobinson
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One of the greatest races of them all, the Southern 500, will be run this... um... wait, sorry, I guess I am awake after all. I was hoping that I was dreaming and that Nascar hadn't done the stupidest thing ever and killed the Southern 500. Modernize tradition, indeed.
:BangHead:
The race starts just in time for church, and ends late, but who cares about the Travesty 500 anyway?
:BangHead:
It's Labor Day Weekend and it's not Darlington.
:BangHead:
BTW, if you don't read a blog called "Tom Higgin's Scuffs", it's time you did. Here's a handy link.
Please excuse me, I have more head-banging to do. :BangHead:
:BangHead:
The race starts just in time for church, and ends late, but who cares about the Travesty 500 anyway?
:BangHead:
It's Labor Day Weekend and it's not Darlington.
:BangHead:
BTW, if you don't read a blog called "Tom Higgin's Scuffs", it's time you did. Here's a handy link.
Please excuse me, I have more head-banging to do. :BangHead:
I know what you mean, CC, I know what you mean. I know NASCAR has to move forward, but the Southern 500 was too much of a tradition and was too coveted by the drivers to do away with it.
I attended the 1976 Southern 500. It was my first NASCAR race. I'll never forget it. Some of the best finishes in NASCAR history have come in that race and the race was always dramatic, even if the finish was not great. Case in point was the 1985 Southern 500. Not the greatest finish, but one of the most dramatic races in NASCAR history. I'd put it in the top five all-time great races in history.
I attended the 1976 Southern 500. It was my first NASCAR race. I'll never forget it. Some of the best finishes in NASCAR history have come in that race and the race was always dramatic, even if the finish was not great. Case in point was the 1985 Southern 500. Not the greatest finish, but one of the most dramatic races in NASCAR history. I'd put it in the top five all-time great races in history.
PastorSBC1303
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Gibbs to go with Toyota.
Eury going with Dale Jr to Hendrick.
Any more word on sponorship and # for Jr yet?
Eury going with Dale Jr to Hendrick.
Any more word on sponorship and # for Jr yet?
ccrobinson
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Landing Joe Gibbs Racing was huge for Toyota.
If Tony Jr and Dale Jr can get the kind of equipment in 2008 at HMS that they got in 2004 at DEI, they will win some races.
Junior's sponsor will be Pepsi, and they'll be putting Mountain Dew and Amp logos on his #81 Hendrick Motorsports Chevy.
If Tony Jr and Dale Jr can get the kind of equipment in 2008 at HMS that they got in 2004 at DEI, they will win some races.
Junior's sponsor will be Pepsi, and they'll be putting Mountain Dew and Amp logos on his #81 Hendrick Motorsports Chevy.
Yes, Gibbs to Toyota is HUGE!
Toyota has shown flashes of brilliance in several races recently. Alas, they don't have the drivers to compete consisitently. With Stewert, Hamlin, and Busch, they'll solve that problem. I'd say watch for a Toyota victory within the first 12 races of 2008.
Toyota has shown flashes of brilliance in several races recently. Alas, they don't have the drivers to compete consisitently. With Stewert, Hamlin, and Busch, they'll solve that problem. I'd say watch for a Toyota victory within the first 12 races of 2008.