Lordship Salvation? - Part Two

[webdog]

Because I'm not required to and I personally don't want to put the material out there and then have these people hasseled. You're "web" savy you can look the material up.

What a lame excuse. You could have come up with something better than that, especially if you are so concerned about "christendom" not knowing the truth!

 

[webdog]

Okay I'll give you one Scripture to chew on.

I Corinthians 9:24-27 “Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.”

Paul certainly thought it was a "real" possibility to be castaway in the future. So what is the danger he is referring to? This is another one of those warnings to "believers."

EDIT: Let me add this. I don't want you to "not bother me." I just want you to be genuinely sincere in your search and I don't mean any disrespect when I say this, but I have found that lacking from you, especially in this thread. You have seemed to take on more of the tone of the false accusers. And that I don't appreciate. But as long as you are sincere in your search and you want to take an honest look at Scripture I am always available.

Another instance where the KJV got "castaway" wrong. The ESV...
24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. 25 Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. 27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control,[1] lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
Your use of this Scripture, and "exegesis" is the same the catholics use about purgatory...hmmmm....

In the context of racing, it's clear the meaning is DQ.

 

[J. Jump]

What a lame excuse.

Well you are entitled to your opinions, but I don't put much stock in them, so I'll consider the source.

if you are so concerned about "christendom" not knowing the truth!

I am concerned and that's why I repeatedly offer to give this material to those that truly want it. I have no mandate from Scripture or otherwise to make material available on a message board. You really don't want it anyway. All you are doing is playing games and trying to make yourself look better by putting others down.

If someone truly wants the material it is there for them to have.

Your idea that I don't care about "Christendom" as much as a I say I do because I won't post links on a message board is ludicrous and absurd.

 

[J. Jump]

In the context of racing, it's clear the meaning is DQ.

Guess what...disqualified folks don't get the prize! And yes I actually agree that disqaulified is a better rendering, but it doesn't help your cause in the least.

If you are disqualified from the race you don't get a medal. And you won't get a crown.

 

[webdog]

Well you are entitled to your opinions, but I don't put much stock in them, so I'll consider the source.

Class act.

I am concerned and that's why I repeatedly offer to give this material to those that truly want it.

Come on...you call it "gospel" (good news). Is that how the gospel is supposed to be shared...to those who only truly want it? I'm afraid to see your take on the great commission...

You really don't want it anyway.

Now you are telling me what I want and don't want? If you don't care what I want...why not post them for those WHO ASKED for them? Why should someone have to ask for the "truth" anyway? If you believe it is...share it!

Your idea that I don't care about "Christendom" as much as a I say I do because I won't post links on a message board is ludicrous and absurd.

Prove me wrong...or my comment stands.

 

[webdog]

Guess what...disqualified folks don't get the prize! And yes I actually agree that disqaulified is a better rendering, but it doesn't help your cause in the least.

If you are disqualified from the race you don't get a medal. And you won't get a crown.

Exactly...YOU WON'T GET A CROWN...suffering "loss". I think you are catching on. Those who finish the race receive a crown, those who don't won't...they won't be sent away to suffer for 1000 years!

 

[J. Jump]

Class act.

Pot meet kettle.

Come on...you call it "gospel" (good news). Is that how the gospel is supposed to be shared...to those who only truly want it?

No it is to be shared with all, but there is nowhere is Scripture that says it has to be repeated over and over and over and over and over and over again.

You have CLEARLY shown that you want no part of it and that is your decision. I have no responsibility to you to make you see Truth. If I do please so me the Scripture.

Now you are telling my what I want and don't want?

I think you have made that ABUNDANTLY clear for everyone to see.

why not post them for those WHO ASKED for them?

You are the only one that has asked for them to be posted. And again I'm not going to post the links becuase I don't want these people to be hounded like you hound me. It's bad enough I have to sift through your lies and what not. I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for you doing this to another.

If you believe it is...share it!

That's exactly what I've been doing for almost 3,500 posts. Problem is you think I have to do it "your" way. Sorry that's just not the case.

Prove me wrong

I think almost 3,500 posts and coming back despite having to put up with your nonsense and those like you is proof enough. Time to desaddle from that high horse you seem to be riding!

 

[J. Jump]

Exactly...YOU WON'T GET A CROWN...suffering "loss". I think you are catching on. Those who finish the race receive a crown, those who don't won't...they won't be sent away to suffer for 1000 years!

Really, so you get to rule and reign despite the fact you have no crown. Hmmmm . . . more webdog logic.

 

[webdog]

Pot meet kettle.

We've already met

No it is to be shared with all, but there is nowhere is Scripture that says it has to be repeated over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Sharing it once would be a start...

You have CLEARLY shown that you want no part of it and that is your decision. I have no responsibility to you to make you see Truth. If I do please so me the Scripture.

I'm always searching for truth...so please don't insinuate I don't.

I think you have made that ABUNDANTLY clear for everyone to see.

I just said I'm always searching for truth.

You are the only one that has asked for them to be posted. And again I'm not going to post the links becuase I don't want these people to be hounded like you hound me. It's bad enough I have to sift through your lies and what not. I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for you doing this to another.

I believe Amy asked for them. Responsible for doing "what" to another...sharing this so called truth they have brainwashed..err...I mean shared with you?

That's exactly what I've been doing for almost 3,500 posts. Problem is you think I have to do it "your" way. Sorry that's just not the case.

The above, you stated... again I'm not going to post the links becuase I don't want these people to be hounded like you hound me. Who's lying about providing what's asked?

I think almost 3,500 posts and coming back despite having to put up with your nonsense and those like you is proof enough. Time to desaddle from that high horse you seem to be riding!

What?!?

 

[Hope of Glory]

That is 100% of humanity. There is not one human who dies without unconfessed sin. I guess all humanity spends 1000 years at least in hell, with some's stay longer than others...

So, you won't answer a direct question, but you will dishonestly put words in someone else's mouth when he's asked a question.

Interesting.

BTW, Jesus' blood does not cover all sins automatically past, present, and future at the instant of being born from above. At that moment, you start with a clean slate.

However, no matter how dishonestly you try to present it, that statement is not equivalent to saying that his blood is not sufficient.

His blood is the only thing that is sufficient to cover future sins.

However, you, the individual have to access that blood. You do that by confessing continuously as 1 John 1:9 tells you to do.

If you fail to do that, then you will have to answer for that sin at the Judgment Seat when you have to account for your works.

If you choose not to access the blood, that does not mean that it is not sufficient.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Now we know. You cannot back up your statement with scripture. But what you want to do is redirect with your flawed reasoning.

HOG Jump made the claim that christs blood only covered past sins. Which he cannot support.

Several people here have posted several pages of Scripture to support what we are saying.

How many have you posted?

 

[webdog]

Really, so you get to rule and reign despite the fact you have no crown. Hmmmm . . . more webdog logic.

Wow, for someone who is constantly crying about misrepresentation, you sure do a good job at it yourself!

JJump theology:

Judge: Lane 4 is disqualified from the race! Not only do you not receive a crown, you must suffer loss! Take him behind the stadium and torture him for the next 60 years of his life!

 

[Hope of Glory]

JJ:

The Bible is silent on some things and this appears to be one of them. It is clear from the event and context that this young man came and went away unsaved.


LM

Since it's a Kingdom message, and the Kingom message is only for saved people and involve works, then the context (and grammar) both show that this young man was saved (he was born from above), but that he went away not willing to do what it would take to have an entrance into the coming Kingdom.

Getting saved is the easiest thing in the world. Entering the Kingdom is hard.

 

[webdog]

So, you won't answer a direct question, but you will dishonestly put words in someone else's mouth when he's asked a question.

Interesting.

BTW, Jesus' blood does not cover all sins automatically past, present, and future at the instant of being born from above. At that moment, you start with a clean slate.

However, no matter how dishonestly you try to present it, that statement is not equivalent to saying that his blood is not sufficient.

His blood is the only thing that is sufficient to cover future sins.

However, you, the individual have to access that blood. You do that by confessing continuously as 1 John 1:9 tells you to do.

If you fail to do that, then you will have to answer for that sin at the Judgment Seat when you have to account for your works.

If you choose not to access the blood, that does not mean that it is not sufficient.

What direct question did I not answer? These threads have a lot involved, so instead of playing the "dishonesty" card as your camp so often does, just state what I did not answer.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Here is the problem with what you have said. If it were true that Christ blood was not sufficient at the moment of salvation to cover present and future sins, then that means that when we sin we have lost our slavation and must get saved again each time we sin. If we have sinned and the blood has not been applied to that sin we are lost.

By "lost", I assume you mean "unsaved", but why in the world would you teach a false doctrine such as being able to become unsaved? That goes against what the Bible teaches, and certainly JJump nor I have ever made such a claim.

So, are you teaching that a person can become unsaved, or are you also lieing about what we are saying to "prove" your point?

 

[Hope of Glory]

JJump, quit with the dishonest tactic debating. You have been shown that your constant calling of others "liars" only comes back to bite you when YOUR quotes are used to show they were not lying. If people have such a hard time "representing your beliefs", you obviously are stating facts in a deceitful way. This is really getting old...

Amy His blood doesn't wash ALL your sins away past present and future when you are eternally saved. If that were the case there would be no need to confess your sins. You are cleansed from your past sins, but your present and future sins, must have the blood applied to them.

JJump's quote does not match the words that you have falsely put into his mouth.

You state that he said that his blood is insufficient. Here's the quote that he made.

The two don't match.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Then it might not get so 'personal', and we could leave that sort of junk for the KJVO and
C/A threads.

Ed

You're not a KJVO Calvinist?

Heretic.

 

[webdog]

JJump's quote does not match the words that you have falsely put into his mouth.

You state that he said that his blood is insufficient. Here's the quote that he made.

The two don't match.

I dont' believe I ever used the word "insufficient". That would be a word you are falsely putting in my mouth.

 

[J. Jump]

Wow, for someone who is constantly crying about misrepresentation, you sure do a good job at it yourself!

So does someone that suffers loss and doesn't receive their crown do they get to rule and reign with Christ during His coming kingdom?

 

[Hope of Glory]

Either you have been washed clean or you haven't. If you die with any sin still on your account, you will die a spiriual death as well as the physical one, because the wages of sin is death.

You know, I can go take a shower right now, then go out and roll around in the mud, and I'm not still clean.

BTW, are you saying that if you sin that you can become unsaved?