• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Lordship Salvation VS Easy Believism

Status
Not open for further replies.
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

Well-Known Member
SavedByGrace said:
Paul was saying that repentance belongs to the realm or sphere of salvation. Repentance is at the very heart of and proves one’s salvation: unbelievers repent of their sin initially when they are saved
Click to expand...
Right, exactly what I said. Saved produces repentance. Not saved, then repent sometime in the future or never.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
Reformed1689 said:
Right, exactly what I said. Saved produces repentance. Not saved, then repent sometime in the future or never.
Click to expand...

unbelievers repent of their sin

this means that when a person is an unbeliever, that is, unsaved, they repent of their sin, after which they get saved.

How comes you guys cannot see that this is taught in places like Acts 2:37-38? It is so clear there
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

Well-Known Member
Servant of Lord Jesus said:
Lordship salvation is a misnomer, as ALL once saved have already Jesus established as the Lord over them, but the truth is that he seeks to have us surrender more and more of what we consider our lives to be under that dominion and reign!

We are justified and saved moment believe and receive lord Jesus, but then we start progressive sanctification, and this is where I see Lds erring, as mixing and mingling the two!
Click to expand...

You're right, but Mac's books were designed to refute a false doctrine that had crept into our churches - that you could claim Christ as your savior and then possibly, at some later date, if you want to, start living as a Christian and trying to follow Christ. He was concerned because according to all the previous generations of Christians that we have access to, Puritans, Methodists, Arminians, Anabaptists this type of thing was unheard of until a few years ago. His books were designed to be helpful to laymen like us but they probably should not be used as a theology manual.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

Well-Known Member
SavedByGrace said:
unbelievers repent of their sin

this means that when a person is an unbeliever, that is, unsaved, they repent of their sin, after which they get saved.

How comes you guys cannot see that this is taught in places like Acts 2:37-38? It is so clear there
Click to expand...
And like always you take it out of context. Yes, it says unbelievers repent of their sin but that is not where it stops. It says: INITIALLY WHEN THEY ARE SAVED.
 
A

AustinC

Well-Known Member
DaveXR650 said:
You're right, but Mac's books were designed to refute a false doctrine that had crept into our churches - that you could claim Christ as your savior and then possibly, at some later date, if you want to, start living as a Christian and trying to follow Christ. He was concerned because according to all the previous generations of Christians that we have access to, Puritans, Methodists, Arminians, Anabaptists this type of thing was unheard of until a few years ago. His books were designed to be helpful to laymen like us but they probably should not be used as a theology manual.
Click to expand...
I had a SBC pastor tell me that he just wanted people to say the sinners prayer. If they didn't repent or change their lifestyle, he felt the persons were still saved because they had said the prayer.
My mouth nearly hit the floor. That explained why his daughter, who was an active cocaine addict, was still leading worship in the church. My wife and I left the church the next day.
 
J

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
5 point Gillinist said:
From what I've seen you say I don't think you believe he is a heretic. However, I think it would be more appropriate to say that you believe he is teaching falsely, or wrong on the matter (though I think that you misunderstood his point, which may be a clarity issue on his part). When someone is accused of preaching heresy, it logically follows that one is a heretic. So in regards to both your position on the former video, and MacArthur's teaching I think you are wrong, but I don't want to hijack your new post and take it back to an old conversation. My comment was meant to be a joke.
Click to expand...
He would not like at all Dr Mac Calvinist salvation theology!
 
J

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
SavedByGrace said:
unbelievers repent of their sin

this means that when a person is an unbeliever, that is, unsaved, they repent of their sin, after which they get saved.

How comes you guys cannot see that this is taught in places like Acts 2:37-38? It is so clear there
Click to expand...
Only once are saved!
 
J

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
DaveXR650 said:
You're right, but Mac's books were designed to refute a false doctrine that had crept into our churches - that you could claim Christ as your savior and then possibly, at some later date, if you want to, start living as a Christian and trying to follow Christ. He was concerned because according to all the previous generations of Christians that we have access to, Puritans, Methodists, Arminians, Anabaptists this type of thing was unheard of until a few years ago. His books were designed to be helpful to laymen like us but they probably should not be used as a theology manual.
Click to expand...
Think that he meant to refute the theology of one altar call saved someone despite no fruit nor evidence to support that!
 
Reynolds

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
AustinC said:
I had a SBC pastor tell me that he just wanted people to say the sinners prayer. If they didn't repent or change their lifestyle, he felt the persons were still saved because they had said the prayer.
My mouth nearly hit the floor. That explained why his daughter, who was an active cocaine addict, was still leading worship in the church. My wife and I left the church the next day.
Click to expand...
That seems to be common in SBC.
 
Reynolds

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
SavedByGrace said:
So a sinner can be saved without repentance?

Complete nonsense
Click to expand...
No, repentance is part of saving faith, but the repentance is not for every sin. The repentance at salvation is for being a wretched sinner. Repentance for individual sins is part of the process of sanctification.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top