No, salvation depends on an intact covenant. Lack of faith does not break the covenant - if faith is restored later, it indicates the person did not go so far as to have the covenant broken.
natters, you have not answered my first question from my most recent post. I showed you 5 posts where you said that ongoing, continuous belief is required for salvation, and then you told ascund that continued faith isn't required.
Now, you say that if faith is restored later, which implies that faith was abandoned, it indicates the covenant wasn't broken. But you said that continuous belief was required. I don't know how to separate belief and faith, so let me ask again. What's the difference between belief and faith?
I asked:
Care to try again about how Romans 8:38-39 isn't speaking about being separated from God?
natters responds:
Did God love you before you were saved? Yes. Does that mean you were saved then? No. His love does not equal our salvation. I've explained this before as well.
Bzzt. Try again. Is Romans 8:38-39 written to Christian or non-Christians? Romans 8:38-39 was written to Christians and Paul is telling them that nothing can separate us from the love of God. Since Romans 8:38-39 was written to Christians, please tell me how it isn't speaking of being separated from God?
I wrote:
For that matter, would you care to try again and tell me that even though Christ lives inside of me, I can leave Him?
natters responds:
In John 15:2, Jesus says the branches that are in him that does not bear fruit is taken away. The fruitless branch is cast off the vine, withers and is burned. I Jesus cast off himself as well, and burned with that branch?
Absurd, isn't it? If John 15:2 speaks of salvation, this must mean that Jesus Christ will leave the Christian. You can't escape this conclusion. It also means that you are contradicting yourself again.
From page 6:
Yes, Christ will never leave us. He will remain faithful, like a husband who will never leave his wife.
Which is it? Either Christ is going to leave us or He isn't. If Christ isn't going to leave us, he certainly isn't going to be cast into the fire, which obviously means that John 15:2 isn't speaking of salvation.
Nope, only your interpretation.
Again, there is line and only God knows when it has been crossed.
How would I know if I'm saved if only God knows? Anybody can say the words that they're saved and they're no more saved than my wife's cat is.
But, the Spirit of God continually reminds me that I'm a child of God.
See Romans 8:16.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.
God knows that, on my own, I could and would lose faith and I wouldn't know that I'm saved. I would agree that the Christian can quench the Spirit enough so that they can't hear the Spirit testify, but that doesn't mean their salvation is lost.
