Losing our youth

[agedman]

This post confuses me. If there is no free will, what difference does it make if they "bounce" back and forth or never wake up? Evidently they are not elect and follow false doctrines.

Here in Texas we did at one time have open range. Folks of the many ranches would have a round up of everyone's cattle once a year, separate out the cattle, and brand them so folks would know whose cattle they might be stealing.

The lack of freedom of the will does not result in the inability to make choices. It means that the open range is now fenced.

The Scriptures state that prior to Mosses, God "winked" at the sin, for there was not law, but now there is law and according to Romans, God's law is written upon every person's heart, and according to Acts calls for all to repent.

The child born of Godly parents first finds their life choices fenced by the parents, then as they mature, other authorities, and eventually they grow to understand that certain choices result in good and others not worthy of good.

At some point, they get to thinking that the expression of their will means that they have free will.

Unfortunately, like cattle, the person may roam within the boundaries established by God, and the authorities God has established or allowed.

There is not freedom of that person to overcome their nature and redeem themselves any more then one falling will by thought not fall and death comes to all for all have sinned. Even the Lord mentions that by thought no one could even add stature or hair, yet He could, for He did create and sustains all.

Therefore, there is no true freedom of the will, rather all are in bondage to their natures, just as Romans states, and as Paul said that he had to crucify the flesh daily.

There must be a cleansing of the young mind (how shall a young man cleans his ways...), we ancient folks are taken in dementia and don't remember to take a bath much less cleans the mind.

No, no true freedom of the will.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Or Perhaps she just rejects/despises the Truth and loves and promotes her Sin.

Do you think that the Holy Spirit encouraged her to be the feature of a secular AP hit job on the Church?

Perhaps she may be exactly what the scriptures I posted describe.

The scriptures are rightfully unapologetic, and so must be the presentation of the scriptures. The Truth.

Shame on this Laodicean generation of cowards that will not boldly preach the whole council of God.

Could you be specific as to what I said that offends you so. This girl is lost and going to hell. And correct me if I am wrong, but you seem pleased.

And I have no idea what a "secular AP hit job on the church" means. You will have to enlighten me.

I am going to continue to pray that she be saved. EVERYONE was lost and going to hell before they were saved. You, me, and all Christians.

 

[xlsdraw]

Could you be specific as to what I said that offends you so. This girl is lost and going to hell. And correct me if I am wrong, but you seem pleased.

And I have no idea what a "secular AP hit job on the church" means. You will have to enlighten me.

I am going to continue to pray that she be saved. EVERYONE was lost and going to hell before they were saved. You, me, and all Christians.

You are indeed wrong. The Lord's will is that all would be saved. But very few are. My will is the same as my Lord's.

What the Lord hates, and I hate, is the promotion and normalization of sin. Which often includes the secular media and Laodicean clergy.

 

[Scarlett O.]

You are indeed wrong. The Lord's will is that all would be saved. But very few are. My will is the same as my Lord's.

What the Lord hates, and I hate, is the promotion and normalization of sin. Which often includes the secular media and Laodicean clergy.

I stand corrected then.

 

[agedman]

I stand corrected then.

Are you one of those who have their computer on a cart? One tall enough to for the operator to stand and type?

 

[agedman]

I stand corrected then.

When a woman stands, it obliges all us who are men to stand, too.

Let's see if I can find my feet.

 

[robycop3]

Perhaps the inference is that the Trib is immanent .. may be even in progress (the first 3.5) ...

The goats and sheep are about to have the final sort.

No, it won't start til after the rapture.

 

[agedman]

No, it won't start til after the rapture.

My son and I were talking about the Scriptures and the deception that will infest believers.

During that discussion, we visited how the prince of darkness seems to attempt to turn believers by showing how God isn't reliable and hasn't disclosed to us or isn't really going to perform, or ... He really never comes right out and defies God.

In that discussion, the rapture was brought up. And we both discussed what deception could the enemy have planned, and two points were made:

1) The tribulation may or may not start at the point of the rapture, nor the rapture happen at the start of the tribulation.
2) The church was not appointed to the day of wrath, however, the bowls poured out are the bowls of God's wrath, the trumpets, the seals are judgements that drive the final wedge between the people and God.
3) There is a harvesting (a rapture) that takes place in which an angel comes from the temple (God's dwelling place) and tells Christ to reap, and then another angel to reap. This follows "the last trumpet" (For the (last) trumpet will sound...)
4) What better way to cause believers to dismay than to see the tribulation happenings and loose hope, and not relish in the perseverance and preservation of the faithfulness of God to the saints as John pointed out in the Revelation.​

So, my friend, I remain rapture hopeful, but also Scripture reliant and resilient.

 

[percho]

Churches have youth grouped kids right outta church

they have nothing to keep them in church since they never bonded with adult members

May be the best post ever.

 

[Salty]

THIS OP IS NOT ABOUT THE RAPTURE

We are talking about loosing our teenagers from our churches
LETS GET BACK ON SUBJECT!!!

 

[Two Wings]

No, it won't start til after the rapture.

That is what I used to understand too.

wheat and tares. And the 3 “one take. One left” has shown me not pre trib rapture.

 

[AustinC]

Could you be specific as to what I said that offends you so. This girl is lost and going to hell. And correct me if I am wrong, but you seem pleased.

And I have no idea what a "secular AP hit job on the church" means. You will have to enlighten me.

I am going to continue to pray that she be saved. EVERYONE was lost and going to hell before they were saved. You, me, and all Christians.

We can keep praying, but this woman should be shaking in her boots because there is a time when repentance cannot happen.

Hebrews 6:4-8
For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come— and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame. When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it.

Hebrews 12:15-17
Look after each other so that none of you fails to receive the grace of God. Watch out that no poisonous root of bitterness grows up to trouble you, corrupting many. Make sure that no one is immoral or godless like Esau, who traded his birthright as the firstborn son for a single meal. You know that afterward, when he wanted his father’s blessing, he was rejected. It was too late for repentance, even though he begged with bitter tears.

 

[Marooncat79]

We do not do Youth Group and it has cost us members

we have Worship for everyone

during worship, we have have 2 Bible readings in addition to the Sermon Text where we read through various books of the Bible.

We read through 8-10 verses from each. I describe what is going on, or what the text is about prior to reading.

sometimes, we only read 3-4 verses in books like Exodus where material is repeated in the last several chapters, or on a long Psalm, I make 3-4 comments and hit the 7-8 main verses

it’s like SS, everyone knows the text for next week

we also have Mens Bible Study 1 time per month and Womens Group 2 times per month

 

[Marooncat79]

Just to be clear

womens group is 4-5?grade to 9999 yrs old or when the family wants the young lady to start

mens group 3-4 grade maybe 5 to the same

we actually had a young 24-25? Yr old man say that God had called him to start a YG at our church.


I knew that he had eyes for the other main elders oldest daughter who was about 15

I told him I was not sure what he heard, but it was not the voice of god in this matter and that he would be unwise to approach Michael- which he did. He was then really admonished greater.

scripture is very clear

younger women learn from older

younger men from older men

neither from a 25 yr old single or married man not their father

 

[Marooncat79]

YG. = one of many golden calves in modern Christianity

 

[Iconoclast]

The unsaved girl in the article needs to hear the gospel and be informed of the sinfulness of her rebellious ideas.
Many professed Christian parents want all their children to be saved.
As soon as the child says Jesus, they coach the child to make a fleshly profession...do you want to accept, or decide to trust Jesus at age 5...
The child wants to please their parents so they do it.
Everyone is happy and they are considered to be church members.
They maintain outward conformity to the rules, with no heart transformation.When they near college age they leave and cast off the shallow false profession of faith.
If God does save them later in life these are the ones who give a testimony saying I was saved 34 years ago, but left the church, smoked crack, fornicated, robbed the bank, but now I rededicated myself.
Then everyone is happy and the cycle continues.

 

[Marooncat79]

The Bible teaches that we are rededicating our lives every time we repent of our sins before God

 

[robycop3]

That is what I used to understand too.

wheat and tares. And the 3 “one take. One left” has shown me not pre trib rapture.

Rev. 3:10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

 

[37818]

Just read an article from the AP.

Nathalie left her Baptist faith - became an atheist and then floated around.

One can only become an atheist if one has not yet known God. If one understands 1 plus 1 equals 2 how can one not know it? Knowing God should be that easy, John's arguement, "If we receive the witness of men the witness of God is greater." 1 John 5:9. Jesus said in His prayer, ". . .this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, . . ." John 17:3. Again John wrote, 1 John 5:12, ". . . He that hath the Son hath life; . . ." More can be said.

 

[Two Wings]

Rev. 3:10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

Yessir ... like we are in the world but not of it. I believe we are gonna experience and witness some CRAZY COOL stuff happen during this period. The dragon will pursue, and we will see the decapitations of those spiritual babes during the period ... but I also understand there are "overcomers" ... those who are spiritual, not simply holders of a fire insurance policy. They will be empowered "by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony, and they'll love not their lives unto death."

crazy cool things I can't even conceive ... during this period of Jacob's troubles. Which will reflect to higher degree, God's awesomeness than the Hebrews in Goshen during the plagues ... or the provision/protection during the 40 years' wandering ... they knew the year they'd enter the Promised Land.

I think that has been revealed to us in scripture ... and I further believe that at some point, we'll understand the 90 day window before it happens. We'll never know the day nor the hour, but we WILL know the 3 month window before it starts.