Does anything ever happen though that is outside the will /control of God?
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Lost by God's Will?
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You got it...
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Emril Legasse gets it....
Poor stupid non-Calvinist...
Yes...if you don't embrace
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You won't get it..
So did their propitiation expire?If God has turned away the wrath,why do they get an eternity of it?
Romans 9 is about BROADENING the scope of election...
not restricting it.
Seriously.
It is.... you don't know that, because you haven't been taught proper exegesis, but Paul's argument doesn't begin in chapter 9...
Start at chapter 5 and follow Paul's argument through to chapter 11.
Then, you'll get it.
Non-Calvinists aren't afraid of chapter 9.
We just know that Paul's argument starts in 5 and follows through to 11....and we know Calvinists don't know that, so it's worthless to engage them on chapter 9 because only Calvinists think the thought process begins there....
That's why non-Cals don't like a "Romans 9" debate...
It's because Paul began the letter at chapter 1....not 9
Every Theological system on the planet knows chapter 9 is in the middle of a MUCH broader argument.
Empty your mind of presuppositions and read it again.
Set aside about 3 hrs....and just empty your mind and let the Scritpture speak for itself, and let Paul use his own voice.... read from chapter 1 through to the end...
then try narrowing it to chapters 5-11 and follow his train of thought.
If you did that....
You'd abandon Calvinism wholesale.
Because, you'd realize that Calvinists have missed even the most BASIC thrust of the whole argument and teach the precise OPPOSITE of what Paul is trying to convey.
Once again...
He's actually BROADENING the scope of election, not NARROWING it...
Try again.
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No, they don't.
Not really.
None that anyone with genuine credentials respects and will verify.
That's why peer review exists.
Cultic translators will never survive genuine peer review.
Satan, the whole sin issue. Disobedience All are outside of God Perfect Will, but He allows it within His permissive will.
No thing happens that God does not allow
Do you agree that God's will is that everyone be saved? You see God loves man enough to want man to choose who we serve. Our choosing Him is a true expression of Love.
MB
I keep saying I don't know.
I don't/cant think like God.
I'll ask when face to face and if I understand then I'll look you up,
if it will even matter then.
Reformed1689
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Non-Calvinists should really quit using this line as if Calvinists don't also firmly believe in the free will of man. The question is, what is the will of man? It is not to do good or to follow God.
No. He chose to offer salvation to those He chose based on His good pleasure.
Reformed1689
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The scope of election was never broadened. It was complete before the foundation of the world. That being said, yes, Romans 9 does, in fact, deal with the reality that there are elect Gentiles as well. Nobody is disputing that. But it is also very clear on the fact that there are some that God does not choose.
You talk a big talk but you are still ignoring the reality of the passage.
Look Brethren, when we have a question that seems an illogical fit to someone's position, it is not necessarily a "GOTCHA".
God delights in being so VERY ILLUSIVE.
I like this hymn:
Farther along we’ll know more about it,
Farther along we’ll understand why;
Cheer up, my brother, live in the sunshine,
We’ll understand it all by and by.
God delights in being so VERY ILLUSIVE.
I like this hymn:
Farther along we’ll know more about it,
Farther along we’ll understand why;
Cheer up, my brother, live in the sunshine,
We’ll understand it all by and by.
No. He chose after the counsel of His own will.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
This is the biggest reason I am a Mugwump, we weren't there at the counsel.
Yep, that was ALL sinners
Reformed1689
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What was all sinners?
That's right since everyone has been chosen so that the who so evers could be saved
Pastor_Bob,
These two lights allow fallen man to know God exists and leaves them without excuse for their sins.It saves nobody.
No man responds unless the Spirit allows them to. The response of a natural man is to be a truth suppressor.
Because I am reading your posts?
These two lights allow fallen man to know God exists and leaves them without excuse for their sins.It saves nobody.
No man responds unless the Spirit allows them to. The response of a natural man is to be a truth suppressor.
Because I am reading your posts?
Hey HOS, Hope you are doing well,
Do not speak so harshly to ITL. He is participating.
I never said they were any good. That proves my point.
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