So, according to you, God waved his right to be Sovereign King and gave that right to every human.
That will certainly affect your concept of God's love in comparison to mine.
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That will certainly affect your concept of God's love in comparison to mine.
I asked you...
"Who's will won out in the Garden of Eden, God's will or man's will?"
You did not answer...
Worship me and I will let you have a kingdom. Jesus never says this, he did however reject Satan's formula which is exactly that.
We know Jesus is God. But even the Jews who did not believe he was God, Christ commands them not to believe he is God unless they have proper evidence that he is God.
John 10
37“If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
We have an obligation to God that requires us not to believe on BLIND FAITH, to test every spirit.
Jesus Christ also states that through the works knowledge and understanding comes.
We are also told God gives different measures of faith and to those who are given much, much is expected.
Jesus could have said, "OH you don't believe I am God? well smokem if you gottem and if Later I feel like it I will turn on your FAITH SWITCH."
John 14
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Why would the sake of the works be more important the sake of who Christ is?
Good people are not selfish people. A good person puts others before others. They will lay down their life for you.
Jesus Christ is GOOD, he is not a megalomaniac.
The Proud perfectionist who requires to let everyone else know he is perfect, requires your worship for a kingdom. That is Satan, That is his satanic formula.
John 10
11“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12“He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13“He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. 14“I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16“I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. 17“For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
This condemnation thrown on others because they don't accept blind faith is wrong. And your condemnation is being flipped back on you. God is Love.
1 john 4
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
You don't love them nor believe God's love for them, so you can't possibly get God right.
You even say God is love, Love is useless.
You don't know God.
Love is worshiped. Love is GOD. That dictionary in your head says LOVE is this or that. You don't know God.
Because if you did that dictionary in your head says LOVE is Jesus Christ.
Imagine your pathetic idea of Love having to take notes from Jesus Christ. I can challenge whatever you state love is to be a fake aside from Jesus Christ.
It doesn't matter where you think water comes from, or whats its name, Its still going to put out a fire.
Love is #1. If we take Love away from your religion you have nothing but trash.
But if you take everything away and leave only love, I guarantee you have Jesus Christ.
If you can tell the difference between Love and Jesus, I got good news for you, you have a ton to learn about both.
We know Jesus is God. But even the Jews who did not believe he was God, Christ commands them not to believe he is God unless they have proper evidence that he is God.
John 10
37“If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
We have an obligation to God that requires us not to believe on BLIND FAITH, to test every spirit.
Jesus Christ also states that through the works knowledge and understanding comes.
We are also told God gives different measures of faith and to those who are given much, much is expected.
Jesus could have said, "OH you don't believe I am God? well smokem if you gottem and if Later I feel like it I will turn on your FAITH SWITCH."
John 14
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Why would the sake of the works be more important the sake of who Christ is?
Good people are not selfish people. A good person puts others before others. They will lay down their life for you.
Jesus Christ is GOOD, he is not a megalomaniac.
The Proud perfectionist who requires to let everyone else know he is perfect, requires your worship for a kingdom. That is Satan, That is his satanic formula.
John 10
11“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12“He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13“He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. 14“I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16“I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. 17“For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
This condemnation thrown on others because they don't accept blind faith is wrong. And your condemnation is being flipped back on you. God is Love.
1 john 4
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
You don't love them nor believe God's love for them, so you can't possibly get God right.
You even say God is love, Love is useless.
You don't know God.
Love is worshiped. Love is GOD. That dictionary in your head says LOVE is this or that. You don't know God.
Because if you did that dictionary in your head says LOVE is Jesus Christ.
Imagine your pathetic idea of Love having to take notes from Jesus Christ. I can challenge whatever you state love is to be a fake aside from Jesus Christ.
It doesn't matter where you think water comes from, or whats its name, Its still going to put out a fire.
Love is #1. If we take Love away from your religion you have nothing but trash.
But if you take everything away and leave only love, I guarantee you have Jesus Christ.
If you can tell the difference between Love and Jesus, I got good news for you, you have a ton to learn about both.
And with all that you still said nothing to address Jesus' declarations concerning who is born of God and who is not. Do you understand what it means to be born of God? You have yet to show you do...
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him". (1Jo5:1)
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)
Do you believe Jesus Christ or not?
God's will. It's not even a debate. God's plans are never thwarted and they are not your plans. God's plan is always good and never evil. God's plan is loving because God is love. Therefore, it means that humans rarely know what love is. They often mistake emotions of empathy and passion as being love.
God's will is always being accomplished...even in when evil is happening. Read Habakkuk and get back to me.
Steaver,
Back in 2015 you asked the following "So a question for our Catholic friends here; Do Muslims worship and pray to "the one living and merciful God?"
Here once again, you're asking individual catholics to answer questions which are only rightly answered by the Magisterium instituted by Christ. Sure we can direct you to the Catechism. Or we can try to present the Church's teaching in our own words. But at the end of the day, and this is what my original point was last year when I participated in a conversation here, the Church teaches us. We individual Catholics aren't supposed to just make stuff up. We look to the Church to teach us authoritatively. I have told you this. You know this. So I wonder, why do you do this? Why do you pose questions to catholics in a manner which seems to suggest that we're left to sorta figure justification out privately? Regardless of how Adonia or utilyan or some other Catholic might answer, the Church's teaching stands. And it is readily available to you, again, with a simple Google search.
In Him,
Herbert
Magisterium instituted by Yeshua?
Are you referring to the priesthood of believers?
1 Peter 2:4-9
[4]You are coming to Christ, who is the living cornerstone of God’s temple. He was rejected by people, but he was chosen by God for great honor.
[5]And you are living stones that God is building into his spiritual temple. What’s more, you are his holy priests. Through the mediation of Jesus Christ, you offer spiritual sacrifices that please God.
[6]As the Scriptures say, “I am placing a cornerstone in Jerusalem, chosen for great honor, and anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.”
[7]Yes, you who trust him recognize the honor God has given him. But for those who reject him, “The stone that the builders rejected has now become the cornerstone.”
[8]And, “He is the stone that makes people stumble, the rock that makes them fall.”They stumble because they do not obey God’s word, and so they meet the fate that was planned for them.
[9]But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.
Nice to see you posting again. Welcome back!
Yes, that is the question.
Because that is what I believe. I told you, I am a wimp and need Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, to help me through this life.
People have to make their own decisions on this. The only thing I can do is pray for them.
I stand by my answer on this one.
1. Of course. And the Catholic Church is the authority on this earth to interpret it.
2. Yes I do. (Especially after receiving Him via the Holy Eucharist) And I also try very hard not to disappoint Him.
Well, I suggest you are mistaken with your conclusion. We all come to Christ on the basis of faith, (and truth be told some have more faith than others), but that does not negate our belief in Him and His words. As for the doctrine of purgatory, that is part of the Church's teaching, which again in my view does not negate any belief in the saving grace of Christ.
God can do anything He wants. He can heal the sick, allow miracles to happen, and yes give salvation to those who do not claim the mantle of Christian. Can you honestly deny that these things, especially the last one could happen?
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You need to be found in Christ. God needs to adopt you as His child
Given no act of God, people will choose to rule their own lives and rebel against God...every single time. 100% guarantee.
Pray that God will make them alive and adopt them.
Better to say "The Roman church is the self appointed authority, without backing from God."
You don't receive Yeshua via Communion. That is not how one is adopted and pardoned. We have communion in remembrance of the finished work of Yeshua and his adoption of us out of sin to righteousness.
It's admirable to try not to disappoint our Redeemer, but we don't receive our Redeemer via Communion.
Faith is a gift from God that comes after God has made us alive in Christ. No one comes to God by manufacturing their own faith. We run from God, unless He calls us and stops us from running.
This is because faith is a gift and God grants a greater portion of faith to some when he gives the gift of faith.
Indeed, this is because God's adoption of His children is not dependent upon the amount of faith we generate.
It is just one of the false teachings of Rome.
God can make the earth into lime jello, but he doesn't. He says that He is the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Yeshua.
Hello,
Although providing links to apologetical works is not allowed here, last year I was told that reference materials (such as the Catechism) could be shared. What Catholics believe can be found here: Catechism of the Catholic Church
I would recommend reading Paragraphs 781-810 in order to get a sense of what Christ's Church teaches concerning the Priesthood of Believers. What is found in the Catechism is, unlike the private opinions of individuals, authoritative Christian teaching. It's what the Church Christ founded actually teaches.
In Him,
Herbert
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We all have opinions - thanks for sharing yours!
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It's no more authoritative than the discussion you and I are having. You just ascribe authority where you will, but you have no scripture to support it. The lack of biblical support for the many claims of Rome is striking.
Opinion based upon scripture is stronger than opinion based upon tradition, without biblical merit, which is what I often see in the church at Rome.
It's funny to see you just sweep things away with a short comment, yet have no sound biblical response.
You asked me who's will wins, God's or man's? It was God's will that Adam should sin, in fact God set Adam up to fail knowing full well Adam would sin with the temptation he was set up in.
I do this because i have learned over the past twenty years of conversation with folks from all types of sects that if you want to really know what a group is teaching you have to go directly to the followers to see what they are getting out of their leadership.
It doesn't matter if it is JW's. Mormons, SDA's, Catholics, Baptist, etc. If you want to know what their church is actually teaching then ask the followers what they believe.
You tell me, where is Adonia and Utilyan getting this belief that one can reject Jesus Christ and still be saved? From the Pope's comments? Their own local church's bishop? Why do they believe this way as Catholics? I always thought that Catholics towed the line. Maybe they are just repeating what they have been taught because they do not seem to react to Scripture when shown, they just ignore it.
No you said even satan believes in Jesus Christ, is satan born-again? You have to get a little deeper on just what it means to be "born-again". I don;t think you understand what it means.
Nope. It's not any fault in God that caused Adam to be tempted and sin. It is divine Providence that Adam sinned and redemption is accomplished by Yeshua atoning for His adopted children.
The mystery of "why" certainly remains. We long to look into these things like the angels long to understand why God extends grace to human beings.
The issue for you is whether you can trust a God you cannot control or whether your god must be under the leash of your own will.
Straw man set up by Calvinist to condescend those who oppose them.
This is quite simple actually and not so complex as folks on either side tend to make it.
We can learn man's will verses God's will from the Garden of Eden. Man's will does not trump God's will but rather it is created in God's design to teach mankind and to foster true, healthy relationships of adoration and love between God and man.
To say it short and sweet, It was God's will to give mankind his own will so man could learn and make his own choices concerning his Creator. Man could choose to worship and love God or man could choose to reject God. God did not want robots which he most certainly could have created in the garden. It is such a perfect plan and design when you think about it. Anyone who takes such a beautiful design and turns it into a plan of a God who must destroy the masses and save a few WITHOUT any input from the man is seriously destroying a beautiful plan.
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