Lt. General Flynn: Guilty as charged, or a scapgoat?

[righteousdude2]

There are two, well maybe even more than two, but ler's say two views of the resignation of General Flynn. What is your view, and why, and is this just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to personnel problems within the lack of valid government experience in the Trump administration?

 

[HankD]

There are two, well maybe even more than two, but ler's say two views of the resignation of General Flynn. What is your view, and why, and is this just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to personnel problems within the lack of valid government experience in the Trump administration?

Brings to my mind the Ollie North Iran-Contra fiasco.

And yes, in the draining of the establishment swamp there will be some casualties.

But the nation will be much better off when the swamp is cleansed of the "progressive" liberal critters.
Not that General Flynn was a liberal but a casualty.

HankD

 

[righteousdude2]

Brings to my mind the Ollie North Iran-Contra fiasco.

And yes, in the draining of the establishment swamp there will be some casualties.

But the nation will be much better off when the swamp is cleansed of the "progressive" liberal critters.
Not that General Flynn was a liberal but a casualty.

HankD

There will always be casualties from friendly fire. And in every battle, the good guys even lose a man or two. It is a shame, as he seemed like a descent man. But, some times, a warrior must fall on his sword for the sake of the greater good. I salute Flynn.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Guilty as charged. He didn't fall on his sword. He lied and it was a national security issue.

 

[Baptist Believer]

What is your view, and why

Flynn is guilty.

The NSA apparently has transcripts of the conversations he had with the Russian ambassador.

I don't think Flynn was operating solo. Our intelligence agencies have confirmed that many of the conversations and connections contained in the infamous dossier on Trump have taken place, and at least portions of it may be credible. They are still investigating, so expect more fallout - even at the very top of the administration.

...and is this just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to personnel problems within the lack of valid government experience in the Trump administration?

While I agree with the premise that the Trump Administration is woefully inexperienced and out of its depth in many areas, this is not a "personnel problem." This is an undermining of US policy that has extremely serious implications. Moreover, it falls right in line with what one would expect if Trump was Putin's puppet because Putin had incriminating evidence on Trump.

In terms of politics, Trump needs to come clean ASAP and be transparent about everything so he can get ahead of the story. He needs to release his taxes and reveal anything that might be damaging to him himself before it comes out in ways that he can't control. But I suspect he won't since he probably has things to hide that will destroy his reputation and his Presidency.

I hope Pence is clean. I suspect he was just lied to by Flynn and perhaps Trump. Our nation may need Pence to take over in the near future and he does not need to be crippled by lingering doubts.

 

[InTheLight]

What is he being charged with?
What's a scapgoat?

 

[HankD]

Flynn is guilty.

The NSA apparently has transcripts of the conversations he had with the Russian ambassador.

I don't think Flynn was operating solo. Our intelligence agencies have confirmed that many of the conversations and connections contained in the infamous dossier on Trump have taken place, and at least portions of it may be credible. They are still investigating, so expect more fallout - even at the very top of the administration.


While I agree with the premise that the Trump Administration is woefully inexperienced and out of its depth in many areas, this is not a "personnel problem." This is an undermining of US policy that has extremely serious implications. Moreover, it falls right in line with what one would expect if Trump was Putin's puppet because Putin had incriminating evidence on Trump.

In terms of politics, Trump needs to come clean ASAP and be transparent about everything so he can get ahead of the story. He needs to release his taxes and reveal anything that might be damaging to him himself before it comes out in ways that he can't control. But I suspect he won't since he probably has things to hide that will destroy his reputation and his Presidency.

I hope Pence is clean. I suspect he was just lied to by Flynn and perhaps Trump. Our nation may need Pence to take over in the near future and he does not need to be crippled by lingering doubts.

Pence IMO is a good man but I am not sure he has what it takes to stand up to the liberal onslaught.

HankD

 

[HankD]

There is no doubt in my mind that the marxist element in our society wants to turn Flynn's resignation into a tool whereby they can attempt to oust president Trump.

They tried the same with Ollie North and President Reagan.

They've tried ALL ALONG THE WAY with Donald Trump - the primaries, the general election, vote re-tallying, electoral college sabotage, etc...but to no avail.

It might start off down the runway but will not achieve rotation and become airborne.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Pence IMO is a good man but I am not sure he has what it takes to stand up to the liberal onslaught.

Whats it take to stand up to the liberal onslaught....what type are you referring to?
HankD

Ask anyone in the military who they swore allegiance to....was it the President or was it to uphold the Constitution.

Anyway it was the overwhelming evidence from the Intel community that did Flinn in. And lying with impunity.

 

[InTheLight]

They've tried ALL ALONG THE WAY with Donald Trump - the primaries, the general election, vote re-tallying [Never Happened, Fake News], electoral college sabotage [Never Happened, Fake News], etc...but to no avail.

HankD

 

[Rolfe]

There are two, well maybe even more than two, but ler's say two views of the resignation of General Flynn. What is your view, and why, and is this just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to personnel problems within the lack of valid government experience in the Trump administration?

Had Flynn simply made a mistake by not disclosing details about his contact, it could have been dealt with in the same way that Conway's endorsement of Ivanka Trump's clothing line was. That he was fired/resigned suggests that it was more than a simple 'oopsie'.

 

[HankD]

They've tried ALL ALONG THE WAY with Donald Trump - the primaries, the general election, vote re-tallying [Never Happened, Fake News], electoral college sabotage [Never Happened, Fake News], etc...but to no avail.

emboldened text- Plagiarism!

HankD

 

[HankD]

Ask anyone in the military who they swore allegiance to....was it the President or was it to uphold the Constitution.
Anyway it was the overwhelming evidence from the Intel community that did Flinn in. And lying with impunity.

I did serve in the military, the United States Air Force 4 years on active duty, 2 in the reserves and was honorably discharged with decorations (non combat) - here is the oath:

I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Here are the 11 General Orders which had to be memorized and flawlessly recited upon demand in any order up, down and sideways:

1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.
2. To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert, and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
3. To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
4. To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guard house than my own.
5. To quit my post only when properly relieved.
6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me all orders from the commanding officer, field officer of the day, officer of the day, and officers and petty officers of the watch.
7. To talk to no one except in line of duty.
8. To give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
9. To call the petty officer of the watch in any case not covered by instructions.
10. To salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
11. To be especially watchful at night, and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority.

What is your point that you should delight when an officer of high rank who dedicated his life in service to his country gets fired and that not as an officer but as a civilian. You should be ashamed.

HankD

 

[Revmitchell]

Post # 5 is a lot of wishful thinking.

 

[HankD]

Hmm, seems like a certain banned BB poster has cloned himself.

More than once even.

Hey just sayin'

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I did serve in the military, the United States Air Force 4 years on active duty, 2 in the reserves and was honorably discharged with decorations (non combat) - here is the oath:

I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Here are the 11 General Orders which had to be memorized and flawlessly recited upon demand in any order up, down and sideways:

1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.
2. To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert, and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
3. To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
4. To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guard house than my own.
5. To quit my post only when properly relieved.
6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me all orders from the commanding officer, field officer of the day, officer of the day, and officers and petty officers of the watch.
7. To talk to no one except in line of duty.
8. To give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
9. To call the petty officer of the watch in any case not covered by instructions.
10. To salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
11. To be especially watchful at night, and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority.

What is your point that you should delight when an officer of high rank who dedicated his life in service to his country gets fired and that not as an officer but as a civilian. You should be ashamed.

HankD

Oh, a bus driver LOL---just joking.....I know damn well what is in the oath. Now here is the real question....the way I should have phrased it. If the President violates the Constitution, what is the duty of the Armed Forces?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

BTW..... Flinn Quit. Wonder why?

 

[HankD]

Oh, a bus driver LOL---just joking.....I know damn well what is in the oath. Now here is the real question....the way I should have phrased it. If the President violates the Constitution, what is the duty of the Armed Forces?

As a matter of fact I did drive a bus when myself and a few other airmen were taking courses at the Utica branch of Syracuse University in the evenings.
We would take monthly turns driving from and to the Base (Griffiss AFB, Rome, NY).

As to your question: "If the President violates the Constitution, what is the duty of the Armed Forces?"

Nothing, nothing changes in terms of chain of command.

The real question is what is the duty of the senate and the house of congress?

HankD