Luke 22:19-23 before John 13:2

[JPPT1974]

Christ saved us from our sins and saved us from eternal separation. Came not to judge us but to save us from an eternal separation. John 3:16-17!

 

[Baptizo]

The atonement was completed before John 19:28, . . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . .

It was finished when Christ said it was. He was not lying.

It was finished in eternity past before time began which was predestined to take place in our time bound reality. Both are true.

Revelation 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[37818]

It was finished when Christ said it was. He was not lying.

No. The word translated "were [now] accomplished" and "It is finished." Are that same word in a completed tense.
Greek τετελεσται in it's perfect tense.
John 19:28, . . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . .
And before He physically died declared it to have been completed, John 19:30, . . . It is finished: . . .

 

[37818]

It was finished in eternity past before time began which was predestined to take place in our time bound reality. Both are true.

No. Both can not Biblically true. Only one can be true.

Revelation 13:8, . . . the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Not at the foundation of the world, from.

Compare Luke 11:50, That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; . . .

 

[37818]

The subject of the thread,
Luke 22:19-23 before John 13:2

 

[37818]

Christ saved us from our sins and saved us from eternal separation. Came not to judge us but to save us from an eternal separation. John 3:16-17!

You are not addressing the subject of this thread.
Luke 22:19-23 before John 13:2

 

[Baptizo]

No. Both can not Biblically true. Only one can be true.

I know that I'm a finite being and I can't even attempt to figure out the infinite God and how He created the fabric of time. If you think you can then more power to you.

Job 38:4 - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Isaiah 55:9 - For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Not at the foundation of the world, from.

It seems that the Greek work ἀπὸ is ambiguous and is translated in various ways.

Revelation 13:8 (NASB) - All who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slaughtered.

Revelation 13:8 (ESV) - and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

 

[37818]

Revelation 13:8 (ESV) - and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Yup. ESV follows the error of RSV in that passage. Which the NRSV corrects to "from."

 

[kyredneck]

It was finished in eternity past before time began which was predestined to take place in our time bound reality. Both are true.

Recovering the Primitive Baptist doctrine of ‘Justification From Eternity’ in a non-particularistic framework – Mercy Upon All

"The debate about the time of justification is far from just being a matter of speculation. It is relevant for practical theology, as it raises questions for mission and evangelism: Is preaching imperative for saving people or is it rather the joyful revelation of something which is already true about our existence?

Quite a few Baptists before the 19th century defended a peculiar understanding of justification often known as ‘justification from eternity’. This doctrine played a central role for English Particular Baptists such as Samuel Richardson and John Gill, who held a radical monergism, where the elect are efficiently justified by the work of God even before coming to faith...."

 

[37818]

Recovering the Primitive Baptist doctrine of ‘Justification From Eternity’ in a non-particularistic framework – Mercy Upon All

"The debate about the time of justification is far from just being a matter of speculation. It is relevant for practical theology, as it raises questions for mission and evangelism: Is preaching imperative for saving people or is it rather the joyful revelation of something which is already true about our existence?

Quite a few Baptists before the 19th century defended a peculiar understanding of justification often known as ‘justification from eternity’. This doctrine played a central role for English Particular Baptists such as Samuel Richardson and John Gill, who held a radical monergism, where the elect are efficiently justified by the work of God even before coming to faith...."

You fail to understand the subject of this thread.
Luke 22:19-23 before John 13:2