Luther Rice College: Matthew Henry is outdated, but Calvin is not??

[Yeshua1]

Praise the Good Lord for this!

why is that, as he was one of the most influential authors ever in Christianity!

 

[Yeshua1]

rlvaughn, thank you so much for taking the time to respond! I tried to include the most concise but accurate summary of the video as possible, knowing some people would not have time to watch it.

The class I am taking is the Genesis class through WVBS, but I am watching the Luther Rice videos and anything I can find to learn basic research writing skills for Bible college term papers. I agree that I can learn from playing by the rules even when frustrated. I am willing to do that. I really like the Genesis class and I want to be respectful. The opportunity to take the class is a privilege.

I am really starting to understand the big picture more. I really was confused. This is not the same as writing a paper for a secular community college. I will be my rudest and most ignorant when I don't know what I don't know, and I know I am still at that stage.

I am jumping into the deep end again like I did with paralegal and with cybersecurity. I learn fast, but I am pretty stupid when I start a new project. And rude when I don't mean to be.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. This really helps and I will add bits of it to my notes.

Everyone, I managed to find access to Academic Search Complete!!! It has a philosophy and religion database and includes full articles. It is not Atla, but I can practice all aspects of searching for articles, and I should always be able to find at least SOMETHING usable, so that I can include at least one article. I am really excited about this.

In the past, when I had restricted access to what everyone else was using, it forced me to be more creative and it meant my paper was different from the norm: sometimes I was rewarded for that. I have enough now! And enough is enough.

Now I just need to buckle down and WORK.

What is very important is to come to your own conclusions, as use the reference materials to make your own thesis and support it from the Bible and sources!

As with computers and internet, any can put together a really good looking paper. but have nothing really ones own in it!

 

[kathleenmariekg]

What is very important is to come to your own conclusions, as use the reference materials to make your own thesis and support it from the Bible and sources!

As with computers and internet, any can put together a really good looking paper. but have nothing really ones own in it!

I don't think I would know how to make a paper that is not my own. My professors always knew which paper was mine, whether they yelled at me or called it "brilliant". Every professor says I have a very strong writing voice. Some think I have excellent control of my voice for my level of training and some complain I am such a total disorganized mess that I am wasting my voice, but they all agree that I have voice.

I want to try my hand at this new world of writing. I want to do my best. I want to be polite and respectful. I want to find the balance of staying polite and respectful, and saying whatever it is that I decide I want to say.

I skimmed through the videos and website and I am uncertain what is expected for a paper. I think maybe they are just waiting to see what a student hands in, and seem to have accepted a wide range of writing, including students that only used school materials and their Bible. But the more I watch the videos, I can see the writing prompt is very similar to ones that are being featured in the training videos that teach very advanced skills.

I think the school is very Church of Christ, even if they claim to be non-denominational. I want to both be respectful of that and stay true to not just my own personal beliefs, but I also believe that I have the right to cling to my culture and identity as a member of that culture. Denominations are culture as well as belief, no matter how much people profess that not to be true. I don't want to switch up and I don't want to focus on what makes us different. There is so much that makes us the same and that can unite us. This paper and some of the training so far feels ... I don't know what word to use, but ... I would have preferred waiting before tackling my first Bible paper on a topic where Baptists and the professors disagree.

 

[rlvaughn]

I think the school is very Church of Christ, even if they claim to be non-denominational.

The conservative a cappella churches of Christ speak of other churches as denominations and themselves as not a denomination. This is consistent with their ecclesiology and how they view themselves.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

The conservative a cappella churches of Christ speak of other churches as denominations and themselves as not a denomination. This is consistent with their ecclesiology and how they view themselves.

The conservatives are more like each other than like anything else, but they have no tolerance for each other, and spend more time attacking each other than attacking anything else.

But I have eaten from the pagan pig pen. I know the final result of walking away from my dysfunctional family. I am back for better and for worse. I have to figure out how to maneuver within my family. We have not hit the a cappella, but I know it is coming. If they want me to write about that, I have something unique to say. . I don't know if they are ready for it.

 

[Yeshua1]

The conservative a cappella churches of Christ speak of other churches as denominations and themselves as not a denomination. This is consistent with their ecclesiology and how they view themselves.

So they are not the ones that say no electrical instruments and must be water baptized?

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't think I would know how to make a paper that is not my own. My professors always knew which paper was mine, whether they yelled at me or called it "brilliant". Every professor says I have a very strong writing voice. Some think I have excellent control of my voice for my level of training and some complain I am such a total disorganized mess that I am wasting my voice, but they all agree that I have voice.

I want to try my hand at this new world of writing. I want to do my best. I want to be polite and respectful. I want to find the balance of staying polite and respectful, and saying whatever it is that I decide I want to say.

I skimmed through the videos and website and I am uncertain what is expected for a paper. I think maybe they are just waiting to see what a student hands in, and seem to have accepted a wide range of writing, including students that only used school materials and their Bible. But the more I watch the videos, I can see the writing prompt is very similar to ones that are being featured in the training videos that teach very advanced skills.

I think the school is very Church of Christ, even if they claim to be non-denominational. I want to both be respectful of that and stay true to not just my own personal beliefs, but I also believe that I have the right to cling to my culture and identity as a member of that culture. Denominations are culture as well as belief, no matter how much people profess that not to be true. I don't want to switch up and I don't want to focus on what makes us different. There is so much that makes us the same and that can unite us. This paper and some of the training so far feels ... I don't know what word to use, but ... I would have preferred waiting before tackling my first Bible paper on a topic where Baptists and the professors disagree.

Just was saying read all of your used materials, and come to your own views and conclusions!

 

[rlvaughn]

So they are not the ones that say no electrical instruments and must be water baptized?

Yes, they are (although just no instruments -- nothing to do with whether the instruments are electrical).

If they want me to write about that, I have something unique to say. I don't know if they are ready for it.

What you write may be unique compared to what they generally hear, but expect them to be ready. They had been debating this for possibly 150 years, and they love to debate.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, they are (although just no instruments -- nothing to do with whether the instruments are electrical).

So they would be a cult then?

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Just was saying read all of your used materials, and come to your own views and conclusions!

Either I have not stumbled upon the information, and it is just tucked away out of disorganization; or the school is not transparent to the general public about their term paper expectations.

I'm just taking it one step at a time. Without guidance, I feel free to submit what I think is appropriate in general for a paper. I will see what I get for a response, and take it from there.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

So they would be a cult then?

I don't think that is fair!

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't think that is fair!

They state that one MUST be water baptized to be saved, is that not adding good works to Grace?

 

[rlvaughn]

So they would be a cult then?

You'll have to decide that term on your own. The conservative a cappella churches of Christ have a lot of presence on the internet, and you should be able to find plenty of information. This might be a good place to start.
History of the Restoration Movement

 

[Yeshua1]

You'll have to decide that term on your own. The conservative a cappella churches of Christ have a lot of presence on the internet, and you should be able to find plenty. This might be a good place to start.
History of the Restoration Movement

Any that states one must be water baptized to be saved is reaching another Gospel, correct?
NOT saying there are not save din that Church group, but their message is defective!

 

[kathleenmariekg]

There are numerous Christian groups worldwide that are a cappella. Some of the Scottish Presbyterians don't even use hymns and just the psalms as well as forbidding instruments.

Was Calvin Psalms only?

I know the Pilgrims had a psalter, but I don't remember if they were psalms only.

The Amish and Mennonites are all a cappella.

 

[Yeshua1]

There are numerous Christian groups worldwide that are a cappella. Some of the Scottish Presbyterians don't even use hymns and just the psalms as well as forbidding instruments.

Was Calvin Psalms only?

I know the Pilgrims had a psalter, but I don't remember if they were psalms only.

The Amish and Mennonites are all a cappella.

I am not against just voices and psalms and hymns , but am against adding anything else needed to get saved!

 

[kathleenmariekg]

I am not against just voices and psalms and hymns , but am against adding anything else needed to get saved!

Ahhh. I understand now.

I attended a Church of Christ church that required people to say their baptisms in the Baptist church were not a real baptism because the Baptist church was not truly "Christian". It was not enough to agree to be rebaptised. The applicant needed to profess that the previous baptism was not enough. It was a long time ago and there is much that I do remember exactly. But there were people that attended and never become members over this issue, and they were not allowed to teach or take any leadership roles, which was a waste of badly needed talent.

It was sad, because otherwise people in the community would have joined and attended this church more often as there wasn't much else like it.

Yes, adding stuff to salvation is a big deal. The biggest deal, maybe? And that is part of what my paper is about. Maybe that does need to be in the Genesis course, the first course.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

I was poking more around the Luther Rice site, trying to access more of the R&W videos and instruction. In the bookstore, you can see which textbooks are used in the classes. The texts for the general education courses are all big name secular texts, even the R&W texts.

My Courses

Professor Mapes kept referring to "your textbook" and I got curious what that text is.

 

[Yeshua1]

Ahhh. I understand now.

I attended a Church of Christ church that required people to say their baptisms in the Baptist church were not a real baptism because the Baptist church was not truly "Christian". It was not enough to agree to be rebaptised. The applicant needed to profess that the previous baptism was not enough. It was a long time ago and there is much that I do remember exactly. But there were people that attended and never become members over this issue, and they were not allowed to teach or take any leadership roles, which was a waste of badly needed talent.

It was sad, because otherwise people in the community would have joined and attended this church more often as there wasn't much else like it.

Yes, adding stuff to salvation is a big deal. The biggest deal, maybe? And that is part of what my paper is about. Maybe that does need to be in the Genesis course, the first course.

Their take on the Baptist baptism not being legit seems to be very cultist, for that would mean to them if invalid water baptism, no salvation!

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Their take on the Baptist baptism not being legit seems to be very cultist, for that would mean to them if invalid water baptism, no salvation!

I think it might have been, but I don't want to put words in their mouths when I cannot remember that for a fact.