37818
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Romans 1:16, . . . of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . .
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Lydia's Conversion
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Brightfame52
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It is the power of God when accompanied with the Spirit bringing about conversion/belief of the Truth.
37818
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1 John 5:10, . . . He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: . . .
Nolan Stengel
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Amen. Lydia is a perfect example of someone who has been given the ability to respond positively to the Gospel since she was actively being drawn to Christ.
What others have said is true, God did have to work in her heart first for her to even be able to seek after Him. She was following the commandments of the law as someone who revered the Lord and when the Gospel message was revealed to her she accepted it as truth.
It is those who resist the drawing that set themselves up for destruction.
Brightfame52
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@Nolan Stengel
Correct because none by nature seek after the True God Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
So she was already regenerated, a new creature, so God sent her a preacher of the Gospel to convert her Rom 10:14-15
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Correct because none by nature seek after the True God Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
So she was already regenerated, a new creature, so God sent her a preacher of the Gospel to convert her Rom 10:14-15
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
37818
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Romans 1:16, . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth: . . .
Brightfame52
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That applies only to the regenerate like Lydia
Nolan Stengel
Member
What scripture says she was already regenerated before she came to faith?
Brightfame52
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None actually says it, its something understood
Nolan Stengel
Member
???
Then you have no basis for claiming something that scripture doesn’t say. That’s how Mormons and Jehovah’s witnesses argue.
37818
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Not what Holy Scripture teaches, in Romans 1:16, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ."
Brightfame52
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Yeah I have a basis, just not what you asked for.
Brightfame52
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Yeah scripture does teaches it. By nature man cant understand spiritually the gospel, its foolishness to them, and they dont have spiritual discernment. 1 Cor 2:14 One has to be regenerated therefore.
37818
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1 Corinthians 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Hmm. So the natural man denies the Biblical teaching that faith precedes regeneration.
Ephesians 1:12-14, That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Romans 1:16, . . . of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . .
Nolan Stengel
Member
You are correct. Every person is spiritually discerned unless they are being drawn to Christ.
Nolan Stengel
Member
I will give you my basis as to why Lydia could not have been regenerated prior to coming to faith.
Ephesians 2:3
among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
The assertion that Lydia was regenerated while being a child of wrath does is a massive contradiction.
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Regeneration happened at the very moment Lydia came to faith, not before.
Brightfame52
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Correct, the natural man cannot understand the Gospel let alone believe it. Also Rom 1:16 only applies to believers, the Gospel is the power of God to them that are believing, present tense. Paul was only interested in preaching to them at Rome the Gospel who had faith Rom 1:7-8,15
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
Brightfame52
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This doesnt make sense !
Brightfame52
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More nonsense, for lydia worshipped God, something the unregenerate cannot do Acts 16:14
14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
In fact, she was one of the main reasons why Jesus sent Paul her way Acts 16:9-14
9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;
12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.