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Mad Men

Protestant

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Sadly, the thread which I began (A Tale of Two Faiths) deteriorated into character assassination by our Pelagian, Arminian, non-Cal, Synergist contingency.

Rather than prove their ‘free will’ doctrine through the authority of Scriptures they inevitably fall back on their last resort ‘red button’ defense: a rabid, vitriolic, vilification of one man who lived hundreds of years ago.

The question has never been the veracity of the life, legend and teachings of John Calvin.

The question has always been centered on the truthful interpretation of Scriptures: What saith the Lord?

Like all my simpatico brethren on this board, we did not reach our conclusions by idolizing a dead man.

Rather, we reached our conclusions by the teaching of the Scriptures alone.

Had the Scriptures not expressed the total depravity of man through innumerable clearly understood examples, we would be firmly entrenched in the adversaries’ camp.

I cite a few of the accusations by Calvin haters:

Calvin was a demonic monster…..a fanatical, demonic, state-church, persecuting murderer.
Calvin was a thug and understood nothing about the love of Christ and brethren.
He had a religion, and a perverted one at that.
Was Christ the eternal Son of God or not? Not according to Calvin. In fact He was "presented this honor" of being the Son. What heresy! It is a denial of the co-eternal and oneness of the triune Godhead.


CHRIST ACCUSED FREQUENTLY

I cannot help but relate the character assassination attempted by our opponents to the words of our Lord:

It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

These types of blind accusations were thrust upon Christ by his enemies.

He was accused of being demon possessed, a drunkard, a bastard, mentally unhinged, a false prophet, to name a few of the unsavory epithets.

When His accusers had nothing left in their arsenal of ‘heresy hunting bag of tricks’ they were forced to kill him.

ATHEISTS' VIEW OF THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Our Atheist friends use the similar tactic of character assassination when debunking the God of the Old Testament. Below I cite a typical example:

Christians believe their God is all-good and all-loving. Atheists counter that, according to Christian’s own Bible, God is instead “the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully” (as Dawkins puts it).

For example:
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and animals.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.
In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they are allowed to rape as spoils of war.
In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them.http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=682

MODERN DAY ANABAPTISTS

Anyone who has investigated the current Anabaptists of our generation – the Amish – is well aware of the fanatical unbiblical nature of what is superficially a humble, peaceful, agrarian society of Bible believers, but in reality is a pretentious, proud, bigoted cult of extraordinary legalism hell bent on receiving salvation by their alleged works of righteousness.

Those outside their closed society are ‘The English.’

Translation: "Devil worshippers on their way to Hell."

CONCLUSION

May we all stay focused on Scriptures and Scriptures alone to prove the intent, mind and heart of our Lord.

And may we actually obey them.
 

Iconoclast

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Protestant

Sadly, the thread which I began (A Tale of Two Faiths) deteriorated into character assassination by our Pelagian, Arminian, non-Cal, Synergist contingency.

Rather than prove their ‘free will’ doctrine through the authority of Scriptures they inevitably fall back on their last resort ‘red button’ defense: a rabid, vitriolic, vilification of one man who lived hundreds of years ago.
:thumbs: Correct
The question has never been the veracity of the life, legend and teachings of John Calvin.

The question has always been centered on the truthful interpretation of Scriptures: What saith the Lord?

Like all my simpatico brethren on this board, we did not reach our conclusions by idolizing a dead man.

Rather, we reached our conclusions by the teaching of the Scriptures alone.
:wavey: This is also....CORRECT

Had the Scriptures not expressed the total depravity of man through innumerable clearly understood examples, we would be firmly entrenched in the adversaries’ camp.I cite a few of the accusations by Calvin haters:

Calvin was a demonic monster…..a fanatical, demonic, state-church, persecuting murderer.
Calvin was a thug and understood nothing about the love of Christ and brethren.
He had a religion, and a perverted one at that.
Was Christ the eternal Son of God or not? Not according to Calvin. In fact He was "presented this honor" of being the Son. What heresy! It is a denial of the co-eternal and oneness of the triune Godhead.


CHRIST ACCUSED FREQUENTLY

I cannot help but relate the character assassination attempted by our opponents to the words of our Lord:

It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

These types of blind accusations were thrust upon Christ by his enemies.

He was accused of being demon possessed, a drunkard, a bastard, mentally unhinged, a false prophet, to name a few of the unsavory epithets.

When His accusers had nothing left in their arsenal of ‘heresy hunting bag of tricks’ they were forced to kill him.


That is what happened!


MODERN DAY ANABAPTISTS

Anyone who has investigated the current Anabaptists of our generation – the Amish – is well aware of the fanatical unbiblical nature of what is superficially a humble, peaceful, agrarian society of Bible believers, but in reality is a pretentious, proud, bigoted cult of extraordinary legalism hell bent on receiving salvation by their alleged works of righteousness.

Those outside their closed society are ‘The English.’

Translation: "Devil worshippers on their way to Hell."

CONCLUSION

May we all stay focused on Scriptures and Scriptures alone to prove the intent, mind and heart of our Lord.

And may we actually obey them.
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:1_grouphug: yes....this is a good word PT
 

tyndale1946

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Site Supporter
Had the Scriptures not expressed the total depravity of man through innumerable clearly understood examples, we would be firmly entrenched in the adversaries’ camp.

This is a very good point and the reason we understand the Arminian brethren so well is ALL that embrace T.U.L.I.P the pillar which is Total Depravity came out of that camp... Brother Glen
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
Sadly, the thread which I began (A Tale of Two Faiths) deteriorated into character assassination by our Pelagian, Arminian, non-Cal, Synergist contingency.

Rather than prove their ‘free will’ doctrine through the authority of Scriptures they inevitably fall back on their last resort ‘red button’ defense: a rabid, vitriolic, vilification of one man who lived hundreds of years ago.

The question has never been the veracity of the life, legend and teachings of John Calvin.

The question has always been centered on the truthful interpretation of Scriptures: What saith the Lord?

Like all my simpatico brethren on this board, we did not reach our conclusions by idolizing a dead man.

Rather, we reached our conclusions by the teaching of the Scriptures alone.

Had the Scriptures not expressed the total depravity of man through innumerable clearly understood examples, we would be firmly entrenched in the adversaries’ camp.

I cite a few of the accusations by Calvin haters:

Calvin was a demonic monster…..a fanatical, demonic, state-church, persecuting murderer.
Calvin was a thug and understood nothing about the love of Christ and brethren.
He had a religion, and a perverted one at that.
Was Christ the eternal Son of God or not? Not according to Calvin. In fact He was "presented this honor" of being the Son. What heresy! It is a denial of the co-eternal and oneness of the triune Godhead.


CHRIST ACCUSED FREQUENTLY

I cannot help but relate the character assassination attempted by our opponents to the words of our Lord:

It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

These types of blind accusations were thrust upon Christ by his enemies.

He was accused of being demon possessed, a drunkard, a bastard, mentally unhinged, a false prophet, to name a few of the unsavory epithets.

When His accusers had nothing left in their arsenal of ‘heresy hunting bag of tricks’ they were forced to kill him.

ATHEISTS' VIEW OF THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Our Atheist friends use the similar tactic of character assassination when debunking the God of the Old Testament. Below I cite a typical example:



MODERN DAY ANABAPTISTS

Anyone who has investigated the current Anabaptists of our generation – the Amish – is well aware of the fanatical unbiblical nature of what is superficially a humble, peaceful, agrarian society of Bible believers, but in reality is a pretentious, proud, bigoted cult of extraordinary legalism hell bent on receiving salvation by their alleged works of righteousness.

Those outside their closed society are ‘The English.’

Translation: "Devil worshippers on their way to Hell."
http://www.welcome-to-lancaster-county.com/amish-religion.html
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Why so quick to condemn?
 

Protestant

Well-Known Member

I appreciate the creative writing talent of the Lancaster Chamber of Commerce who has spun an enticing fairy tale which will no doubt draw gaggles of visitors.

Perhaps you, too, will be counted among the many ‘English’ who praise their religiosity, should you and your family dare to cross into our border.

A Word to the Wise: Closely guard your beard. They have been known to commit the heinous crime of beard-cutting….a crime worse than that perpetrated by Lorena Bobbitt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/amish-beard-cutting-attacks/

Before becoming too great an admirer of the Amish cults I suggest you read first-hand reports by those who were their victims:

http://splash4ripples.com/2012/08/31/the-amish-beard-cutting-fiasco-a-time-to-be-silent-a-time-to-speak/

Andy Miller's testimony is quite telling:

Andy Miller, May 6, 2014

My name is Andy Miller, and I am now seventy-two years old. God has been good to me! I left the Amish, and sixteen years passed before someone told me the truth about salvation, and I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior! I had become an Alcoholic by that time and relied heavily on alcohol consumption, but Jesus changed me overnight!

After realizing the truth about salvation, I could not believe that anyone could be saved by living on a hope that they would make it (even though this is what I was taught all of my life). After I accepted the truth that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, I went back to my Bishop, Edward Nisley, a number of times trying to tell him about the truth of only grace being enough to obtain salvation. It seemed, however, to always go in one ear and out the other!

http://www.mapministry.org/news/former-amish-testimonies
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
I appreciate the creative writing talent of the Lancaster Chamber of Commerce who has spun an enticing fairy tale which will no doubt draw gaggles of visitors.

Perhaps you, too, will be counted among the many ‘English’ who praise their religiosity, should you and your family dare to cross into our border.

A Word to the Wise: Closely guard your beard. They have been known to commit the heinous crime of beard-cutting….a crime worse than that perpetrated by Lorena Bobbitt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/amish-beard-cutting-attacks/

Before becoming too great an admirer of the Amish cults I suggest you read first-hand reports by those who were their victims:

http://splash4ripples.com/2012/08/31/the-amish-beard-cutting-fiasco-a-time-to-be-silent-a-time-to-speak/

Andy Miller's testimony is quite telling:



http://www.mapministry.org/news/former-amish-testimonies

I haven't bothered to read your links. I may consider it yet though.
Here are some facts you should consider. Not all Amish are the same. Some are more conservative than others; some are more evangelical than others. There is a wide diversity in their various orders or groups.
Before we were married my wife lived with an Amish family for over a month. This family was evangelical and they definitely knew the Lord. Don't judge a book by its cover.

As already noted: Not all Baptists are saved.
Not all Presbyterians are evangelical; apparently very few are.
 

Protestant

Well-Known Member
There is a wide diversity in their various orders or groups.

No doubt.

Some practice a wicked version of rumspringa, while others do not. Some molest their children while others do not. Some find a way around the anti-electricity law, while others do not. Some practice a more 'humane' version of shunning, while others do not.

Having seen many documentaries on the Amish, I have yet to find a version that welcomes the "English" as brothers and sisters in Christ.
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
No doubt.

Some practice a wicked version of rumspringa, while others do not. Some molest their children while others do not. Some find a way around the anti-electricity law, while others do not. Some practice a more 'humane' version of shunning, while others do not.

Having seen many documentaries on the Amish, I have yet to find a version that welcomes the "English" as brothers and sisters in Christ.
I will chalk that up to you simply having "limited experience."
 

Rebel

Active Member
Sadly, the thread which I began (A Tale of Two Faiths) deteriorated into character assassination by our Pelagian, Arminian, non-Cal, Synergist contingency.

Rather than prove their ‘free will’ doctrine through the authority of Scriptures they inevitably fall back on their last resort ‘red button’ defense: a rabid, vitriolic, vilification of one man who lived hundreds of years ago.

The question has never been the veracity of the life, legend and teachings of John Calvin.

The question has always been centered on the truthful interpretation of Scriptures: What saith the Lord?

Like all my simpatico brethren on this board, we did not reach our conclusions by idolizing a dead man.

Rather, we reached our conclusions by the teaching of the Scriptures alone.

Had the Scriptures not expressed the total depravity of man through innumerable clearly understood examples, we would be firmly entrenched in the adversaries’ camp.

I cite a few of the accusations by Calvin haters:

Calvin was a demonic monster…..a fanatical, demonic, state-church, persecuting murderer.
Calvin was a thug and understood nothing about the love of Christ and brethren.
He had a religion, and a perverted one at that.
Was Christ the eternal Son of God or not? Not according to Calvin. In fact He was "presented this honor" of being the Son. What heresy! It is a denial of the co-eternal and oneness of the triune Godhead.


CHRIST ACCUSED FREQUENTLY

I cannot help but relate the character assassination attempted by our opponents to the words of our Lord:

It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

These types of blind accusations were thrust upon Christ by his enemies.

He was accused of being demon possessed, a drunkard, a bastard, mentally unhinged, a false prophet, to name a few of the unsavory epithets.

When His accusers had nothing left in their arsenal of ‘heresy hunting bag of tricks’ they were forced to kill him.

ATHEISTS' VIEW OF THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Our Atheist friends use the similar tactic of character assassination when debunking the God of the Old Testament. Below I cite a typical example:



MODERN DAY ANABAPTISTS

Anyone who has investigated the current Anabaptists of our generation – the Amish – is well aware of the fanatical unbiblical nature of what is superficially a humble, peaceful, agrarian society of Bible believers, but in reality is a pretentious, proud, bigoted cult of extraordinary legalism hell bent on receiving salvation by their alleged works of righteousness.

Those outside their closed society are ‘The English.’

Translation: "Devil worshippers on their way to Hell."

CONCLUSION

May we all stay focused on Scriptures and Scriptures alone to prove the intent, mind and heart of our Lord.

And may we actually obey them.

Comparing your idol Calvin to Christ now, huh?

Some of you who criticize Roman Catholics for venerating Mary have no room to do so.
 

Rippon

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
IAnd such is proof that true civil discussion is not really wanted.
Don't compound your sins. You are already guilty for engaging in flithy communication here on a regular basis. Don't add hypocrisy to your resume.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
No matter what anyone may say it cannot be denied that it is GOD Who Saves!

If anyone can present Scripture to the contrary then let them do so or else hold their peace!

On another thread a young lady of Church of Rome persuasion was challenged:
Then you tell us how a sinner is saved.

Her response was:

The sinner is saved through a gratuity of God

But that is false! A sinner is saved by the Grace of GOD, not a gratuity of GOD!

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Rebel

Active Member
Don't compound your sins. You are already guilty for engaging in flithy communication here on a regular basis. Don't add hypocrisy to your resume.

Look in the mirror. What you have said in this post is a perfect description of you. You are the one who started the accusations and calling others liars. You appear to be a whitewashed tomb. Where is the Spirit of Christ in you? I haven't seen evidence of it. I'm not saying you are not saved because I am not God. But we are called to be fruit inspectors, and I have seen none in you yet.
 

tyndale1946

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Look in the mirror. What you have said in this post is a perfect description of you. You are the one who started the accusations and calling others liars. You appear to be a whitewashed tomb. Where is the Spirit of Christ in you? I haven't seen evidence of it. I'm not saying you are not saved because I am not God. But we are called to be fruit inspectors, and I have seen none in you yet.

James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

Never ever forget where you came from!... Brother Glen
 
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