Featured main Objection to Limited atonement view?

The judge doesn't plead. He invites. Big difference.

 

Wrong again. We are ambassadors for The Judge.

2 Cor. 5:20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

 

That Calvinist doctrine makes God the cause of His own lament.

in Christ,

Bob

 

appeal is not pleading. You're still missing it.

 

plead
plēd/Submit
verb
1.
make an emotional appeal.
"they pleaded with Carol to come home again"
synonyms: beg, implore, entreat, appeal to, supplicate, importune, petition, request, ask, call on;

 

You got that completely backwards. Not surprised you dont see it.

 

The whole purpose in Paul's preaching and life in stating man's state is not to come to the conclusion many men have come up with. It is that man will not be saved on their own and it is a call to send us out who are filled with the Holy Spirit to pour it out to the world knowing the only one who will come is those who listen and learn eat and drink because what we have who are Holy Spirit filled is living water for the dead.

Paul spent his life pouring out that living water to the world pleading you shouldn't have to beg someone to give them life through the living water we have been given from Jesus who lives in us if they already have that life.

 

The Greek word means "to call to one's side" or "to summon."

Next.

 

Not so fast! You didn't read far enough, or a more thorough study of the word. From Thayer's:

Parakaleo (v.)
to call to one's side, call for, summon; to address, speak to, (call to, call upon), which may be done in the way of exhortation, entreaty, comfort, instruction, etc.; to admonish, exhort; to beg, entreat, beseech [Emphasis added]; to strive to appease by entreaty; to console, to encourage and strengthen by consolation, to comfort; to receive consolation, be comforted; to encourage, strengthen; exhorting and comforting and encouraging; to instruct, teach​

The New American Standard translates the word 110 in the New Testament:

Appeal 4, appealed 1, appealing 2, beg 1, begging 2, beseeching 1, comfort 5, comforted 11, comforts 2, conciliate 1, encourage 6, encouraged 4, encouraging 3, entreat 1, exhort 8, exhortation* 1, exhortations 1, exhorted 2, exhorting 3, exhorts 1, given 1, implore 4, implored 9, imploring 5, invited 2, making an appeal 1, plead 1, pleaded 1, pleading 1, preach 1, requested 1, urge 17, urged 5, urging 1

More often than not, it is a word meaning to urge, beg or appeal actively. It is a verb that is never, ever used passively or intransitively. Therefore, Webdog's view of the word is correct, whereas yours is not incorrect, merely lacking in a full understanding. However, you were disingenuous in your attempt to cover up the usage of the word "appeal" which is how the word is clearly translated in 2 Corinthians 5:20. It means to urge through reason. Therefore, it goes against your understanding of the word, and even your own narrowly selected definition requires one to see Paul's presentation of the gospel as a means of urging his audience to salvation. So all in all, you lose yet another round in the limited atonement fight. There is no such thing, beyond the atonement being only for those who will believe. There is no limitation on that number, particularly one established by God.

 

I was not disingenuous. I gave you the definition of the word. It was the right definition.

If you think that word has GOD BEGGING people for something, then you desperately need a course in theology proper.

The word does not automatically mean to beg. It is not even the first definition GIVEN of the word. It is not the PRIMARY way the word is used in Scripture. Then add to that that theology proper (an understanding of God as he is revealed throughout the entirety of Scripture) totally contradicts this blasphemous view of a pitiful God on his knees begging people to do something...

Well, you get the point. Or, I hope so.

 

Except that God himself portrays himself as literally begging people to come to him and be saved repeatedly in scripture.

Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Luk 7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

Pro 1:24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

Calvinism doesn't like the idea of God begging men to be saved, even if that is what the scriptures repeatedly show.

When it comes down to scripture versus Calvinism, the Calvinist will choose his system every time. Any scripture that disagrees with Calvinism must be explained away or redefined to agree with Calvinism. This is making an idol of Calvinism.

 

And once again you post a bunch of Scriptures that do not support the point you are trying to make.

Not ONE of them had in it the slightest HINT of God begging.

But you don't care what they ACTUALLY say.

You could care less about the Word of God. It is just a book you use to suit you- to support your traditions.

Those verses do not have God begging. But you don't care. You do not fear God enough to handle his word carefully. You can misquote God, misrepresent God as easily as you scratch an itch. It's no skin off your nose.

 

Baloney, any HONEST person knows these verses are indeed showing God begging men to come to him and be saved.

And it is you that ignores what scripture plainly says and must explain it away or redefine it to agree with Calvinism. This makes Calvinism your god, your idol.

 

No, Winman. Any person with half a brain knows they are NOT showing God "begging."

how childish. You are such a little child,Winman. An old man like you ought to have grown up by now, but you keep proving you are an old man with a child's mind. That statement is very childish. It is petulant.

 

How would you know?

Unlike you, at least I have a mind. I can think for myself, I do not need teachers to teach me ridiculous doctrines as you do. You cannot think for yourself, you hide behind others.

Man up and think for yourself for once.

 

Google hermeneutics. That'll get you started. And come back and I'll teach you some more stuff you need to know.

Yes. Honestly, I don't think Adolf Hitler had such arrogance that rivals this kind.

You don't need teachers. There is no greater arrogance in all the world than that.

 

What is that? I can't see it.

 

That was a picture of a man sitting with his cup out begging for money.

 

Right, I would let you teach me heresy. That's gonna happen.

Honestly? After you misrepresent what I really said? You misrepresent what I said just as you wrest the scriptures.

And talk about a strawman, I am compared to Hitler?

And arrogance? You are the one who calls everybody idiots.

Here's a word for you to google, HYPOCRITE.