Major General says president's eligibility needs proof

[Crabtownboy]

I think that when a person holds the office of president, that he should prove that he is eligible for office and he should provide proof of that. Noone should have to prove he isnt eligible,,,,,,he should prove he is.

The DMV wont let me get an ID with a photo copy of my b/c, then why should we accept that as proof to be eligible to be President?

AJ

So it is all right to accuse with no evicenct? And anything provided by the accused is to be discounted. The courts have thrown such suits out, but that makes no diffference.

Show me how, legally, he cannot be a citizen seeing that his mother was.

Thanks.l

Have a blessed day.

 

[ajg1959]

So it is all right to accuse with no evicenct? And anything provided by the accused is to be discounted. The courts have thrown such suits out, but that makes no diffference.

Show me how, legally, he cannot be a citizen seeing that his mother was.

Thanks.l

Have a blessed day.

Article 2 Section 1 of the US constitution says

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

What more do you want?

AJ

 

[matt wade]

Article 2 Section 1 of the US constitution says

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

What more do you want?

AJ

Officials in Hawaii confirm he was born there and his birth certificate is on record. What more do you want? Do you need video of the birth was a official Hawaii sign in the background? Do you need to actually touch the official birth certificate itself? Why would these government officials put their entire career on the line and lie about something like this?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Article 2 Section 1 of the US constitution says

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

What more do you want?

AJ

You are right. He meets the qualifications on two counts ... if not more.

1-His mother was a US citizen.
2-He was born in Hawaii

As Matt said, Hawaii has backed him up on being born there.

So, as Matt asked, what more do you want?

 

[LadyEagle]

His Kenyan grandmother says he was born in Kenya and she was there when he was born. Surely grandma would know.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074

 

[Crabtownboy]

His Kenyan grandmother says he was born in Kenya and she was there when he was born. Surely grandma would know.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074

And more surely his mother knew as well as his American grandmother. :laugh:

Again, the state of Hawaii agrees. Surely they know.

 

[ajg1959]

And more surely his mother knew as well as his American grandmother. :laugh:

Again, the state of Hawaii agrees. Surely they know.

Do you think its just a little bit possible that his mother wants him to be president more than any thing else? And that she would even misrepresent his birth to protect that?

And, do you think that just maybe the officials in Hawaii could just maybe be so anti-God and immorally corrupt, and worship Obama so much, that they would lie to protect him?

Why, I just described several folks on the BB, and if they love Obama so much as to be blinded by his charisma, dont you think that officials that are looking to advance their careers would fall all over themselves to get in good with the POTUS?

Just supposing?
AJ

 

[Crabtownboy]

Do you think its just a little bit possible that his mother wants him to be president more than any thing else? And that she would even misrepresent his birth to protect that?

Obama's mother died in 1995, so no I do not think she lied to help him become president.

And come to think of it, even if she had given birth in Kenya she was still an American citizen and so he wold be also .... or do you consider any child born to an American in a foreign country not to be a US citizen?

McCain was born in Panama, the Canal Zone to be exact, but still in Panama.

And, do you think that just maybe the officials in Hawaii could just maybe be so anti-God and immorally corrupt, and worship Obama so much, that they would lie to protect him?

Not if they have any intelligence. Too much risk and no real reward. And politicians are never going to take a bit risk for no or a small reward.

Why, I just described several folks on the BB, and if they love Obama so much as to be blinded by his charisma, dont you think that officials that are looking to advance their careers would fall all over themselves to get in good with the POTUS?

No, same reason as above. It would in no way help their own careers so they would not even consider it.

 

[Revmitchell]

His mother would have had to have been 21 years old

According to FindLaw.com, which is cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

 

[BigBossman]

According to Wikipedia, they are saying he was born in Hawaii at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children. If he was born in the states, then I would have to say he is a citizen. If he is not a legitimate citizen, the he should be ousted. I do think it is suspicious that access is denied to his birth certificate. I also think it is suspicious that Wikipedia actually named the hospital that he was born to. That's kind of unusual. Most of the time they just name the city.

 

[windcatcher]

[OK, let's talk legality then. Obama's mother was a natural born US citizen.

Why do you post this in exactly this phrase 'natural born' ? Its because there are other ways to beome a citizen of a country..... but only one way to become a 'natural born' citizen..... and that is born within the country or its recognized terratories. (BTW, his mother was a minor married to a man of adulthood who was not a citizen of the USA... so does a child get his citizenship only from his mother, only from his father, from the country he is born in, or the country which registers his birth?)

Obama was born in Hawaii.

That is fine and dandy but where's the proof? We only have what he said. Within the states and its terratories we usually have witnesses.....nurses and doctors to a birth. None of these are presented as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

There is a birth certificate to show he was born there.

So he says and posts on the internet and you believe ........and you think because you believe and some believe it, everyone who questions it are being silly. But you or someone posted regarding Hawaii's birth certificates at that time: Hawaii, at that time, if my understanding of the article is correct, had allowances where a birth certificate could be registered in that state based upon a parent's statement that the child was a citizen of the USA born in Hawaii: There was a time limit in which this could be filed and accepted as a declaration of citizenship but it did not prevent the possibilities that a child could be born elsewhere and transported to Hawaii where his citizenship was declared and birth was certified: This gives a certificate of birth but does not have the added features of witnesses that the birth place was within the state. .......A natural citizen is born within boundaries recognized to be the USA for citizenship purposes. Was Obama? He either was or wasn't, but nothing he has presented has established the answer to this question.

Thus, to continue saying that he may not be legally a citizen is not reasonable under any circumstances.

So it isn't reasonable to question which is the authentic? There are other documents filed by his parents, with as credible or incredible statements as that of the birth certificate, alleging he was Barry Soeterro, of Islamic religion and accepted as Indonesian. So which statement contains the deceit? If one, then why not the other? If not one, what about the truth of the other?

That which has been shown to be false in the past should not continually be re-introduced in new threads to keep the falsehood alive.

Where was something ever proved to be true or false? We've seen none of the proof! All who carry this banner on his behalf whom we might believe have not witnessed the proof themselves....... they are only more trusting of someone who is closer to the "O" and the hearsay of their claims: And what evidence do they even claim to have 'witnessed'....... the certificate? What about other evidences which should be in the personal files of the Obama mystique? What about passports of early travel and citizenship declarations or identifications? What about funding for school and Admission and registration data and applications? He got his education in a school highly profiled as being one of the most difficult to enter and one of the most expensive in tuition cost. How did a poor kid, from broken homes and chucked from custody to custody, raised under modest circumstances, tinker about in school and with drugs, obtain such privilege unless there is something in either his choice of declarations which made him a magnet for privileges not otherwise allowed a kid without his international ties.... a truely native born citizen. Surely some of these documents either tell the truth..... or he used them to distort the truth to work a privilege which few can compare.

Do you agree?

No I do not agree. It isn't that I don't want to agree but it is because I cannot as no one in authority of judgement and not directly connected to benefit from Obama's rise, has come forward to declare and put to rest what exactly they have seen which gives them support for their judgement that Obama is a naturalized citizen. And I also am skeptical of human nature, and though oft times deceived, abhor deception.

But obviously many are more trusting of man. More trusting of man's words and witnesses. Would to God we would all exercise some healthy skepticism and regard for the nature of man and place our trust where it eternally belongs..... in God alone.

 

[canadyjd]

And come to think of it, even if she had given birth in Kenya she was still an American citizen and so he wold be also .... or do you consider any child born to an American in a foreign country not to be a US citizen?

You are simply wrong, and worst than that, you seem to be deliberately misleading people.

When this was discussed prior to the election, I gave you the links to the government sites that contained the regulations on the books at the time of his birth.

Despite knowing that information, you continue to make the untrue statement that it wouldn't matter if he were born in Kenya because his mother was a U.S. citizen.

The truth is as RevMitchell pointed out to you (again):

According to FindLaw.com, which is cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." (emphasis mine)

Obama's mother had not lived in the U.S. for 5 years after her 16th birthday (she was 19 or 20 at the time of his birth).

Therefore, according to the laws in effect at the time, if Obama were born in Kenya, he would not be a U.S. citizen.

I don't know if the allegation of Kenyan birth is true or not, but those who make the claim point to Obama's grandmother. His grandmother in Kenya claimed her son and his pregnant wife (Obama's mother) came to Kenya just prior to his birth. She went into labor and gave birth in Kenya. Shortly thereafter, she returned to Hawaii.

The allegation is that upon return, the family put a birth announcement in the paper and obtained a birth certificate claiming birth in Hawaii. However, since the birth didn't occur in Hawaii, the origional document that would have been filled out at the hospital was never placed on file.

It is a fact that Obama has never produced that origional document.

The birth certificate he has produced is dated after 2000 (if memory serves) and is not the document that would have been filed if he had been born in Hawaii in 1961.

All that said, Obama is POTUS. This will continue to go nowhere. The military personel involved will be (rightfully) punished.

peace to youraying:

 

[Revmitchell]

All that said, Obama is POTUS. This will continue to go nowhere. The military personel involved will be (rightfully) punished.

peace to youraying:

I am not aware of any misbehavior. Only the joining of law suits.

 

[canadyjd]

I am not aware of any misbehavior. Only the joining of law suits.

Aren't there some military personal refusing to follow his orders? That is what I am speaking of.

peace to youraying:

 

[Revmitchell]

Aren't there some military personal refusing to follow his orders? That is what I am speaking of.

peace to youraying:

I am not aware of any. All I have seen is some have joined on to a law suit asking for evidence he qualifies.

 

[canadyjd]

I am not aware of any. All I have seen is some have joined on to a law suit asking for evidence he qualifies.

I am not an expert on the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.

However, I would not be surprised if an active duty G.I. joining a lawsuit against the Commander in Chief violated some provision ("Good Order and Discipline" or some such thing).

I guess we'll see in the coming weeks if those who joined the lawsuit suffer repercussions.

peace to youraying:

 

[Revmitchell]

I am not an expert on the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.

However, I would not be surprised if an active duty G.I. joining a lawsuit against the Commander in Chief violated some provision ("Good Order and Discipline" or some such thing).

I guess we'll see in the coming weeks if those who joined the lawsuit suffer repercussions.

peace to youraying:

Officers have the ability to interpret it that way if they wish. Repercussions could very well be coming. But there is no specific order in the UCMJ that would prohibit this. It is unprecedented.

What I was speaking of is whether or not they had disobeyed any direct orders such as refusing to go somewhere they were ordered. Like those deserters early in the war.

 

[just-want-peace]

I am not aware of any. All I have seen is some have joined on to a law suit asking for evidence he qualifies.

Based on the reactions on this board to any that question anything the "0" does, that's all that's needed to "punish" the suers.

 

[canadyjd]

Officers have the ability to interpret it that way if they wish. Repercussions could very well be coming. But there is no specific order in the UCMJ that would prohibit this. It is unprecedented.

What I was speaking of is whether or not they had disobeyed any direct orders such as refusing to go somewhere they were ordered. Like those deserters early in the war.

I remember when Clinton was elected, there were people saying the same kind of things. He hadn't fulfilled an obligation to serve after college (draft dodger and so on). I don't know if anyone filed a lawsuit, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

BTW, I got your PM and replied, but your box is full.

Some people are just soooooooooo popular.:tongue3:

peace to youraying:

 

[Salty]

I am not aware of any AR (army regulation) that has been broken. The only charge would be conduct unbecoming to an officer. Of course that would not apply to an enlisted man.