Many vaccines are sinful

[mineben256]

Vaccines, Abortion, & Fetal Tissue - Right to Life of Michigan

Many of the most highly pushed vaccines of our age are manufactured using viruses that replicate in cells that are derived from the cells of cruelly murdered unborn children. In an age where unprecedented alarmism has struck the US over measles, I think it is fair that we must obey God over men if they pass vaccine mandates for such ill-gotten gains.

Proverbs 10:2-3
"Treasures of wickedness profit nothing: but righteousness delivereth from death. The LORD will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked."

The ends never justify the means.

 

[Deacon]

An old friend of mine, the one who introduced me to Christ, is a anti-vaccine crusader.
He picks and chooses his facts, ignores what doesn’t fit and crusades on.
I’ve put up with it like one tolerates a crazy uncle.
When you make a claim that certain vaccines uses aborted fetal cells you really ought to be specific, what vaccines, which manufactures, etc.
Vaccines have a purpose and for the most part, successfully and safely control disease.

***
But last August I had a tetanus shot.
I chose the left arm because I knew from experience that it would hurt for three days afterwards.
Well, that night I couldn’t sleep for the pain. When I went to work the next day I couldn’t even lift my arm.
An MRI two weeks later showed a torn rotator cuff muscle.
Turns out it’s one of the rare complications.
Therapy and time haven’t helped much.
Surgery and recovery is so extensive that the surgeon’s advice was, “Call me when it tears all the way”.

So... I’ve not had a shot since and am on a bit of a vaccine strike myself.

Rob

 

[KenH]

Surgery and recovery

The only surgery I had was 11.5 years ago for a torn rotator cuff. Surgery went fine and after going through physical therapy it got back to normal pretty quickly.

Hope you get feeling better soon.

 

[MartyF]

Ok, let's say I'm a medical student learning medicine.

Someone was murdered but left an intact corpse. I receive this corpse to study the human body and familiarize myself with anatomy.

Am I guilty of the guy's murder? No, don't be silly.

It's the same with your error in reasoning. The idea that a benefit was gained from an act of evil does not make using the benefit evil. Using the benefit could only be considered evil if it encouraged the evil to continue. Add to this the failure to use the benefit would cause thousands of babies to die.

All Christians benefit from an evil act perpetrated over two thousand years ago.

Colossians 2:13-15 NLT
You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. [14] He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. [15] In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

And over a thousand before that God did the same.

Genesis 50:19-21 NLT
But Joseph replied, “Don’t be afraid of me. Am I God, that I can punish you? [20] You intended to harm me, but God intended it all for good. He brought me to this position so I could save the lives of many people. [21] No, don’t be afraid. I will continue to take care of you and your children.” So he reassured them by speaking kindly to them.

Now, you could use your time to figure out a way to make vaccines using a different set of cells so that drug companies are not forced to make vaccines using this set of cells which are descended from an aborted child from whom the doctor extracting the cells did not kill because the child was going to die regardless of what the doctor did.

Or I guess you could spend your time trying to get everyone to stop using vaccines so that more babies will die in the womb.

What Aborted Fetuses Have to Do With Vaccines

 

[KenH]

When you make a claim that certain vaccines uses aborted fetal cells you really ought to be specific, what vaccines, which manufactures, etc.

"Varicella (chickenpox), rubella (the “R” in the MMR vaccine), hepatitis A, one version of the shingles vaccine, and one preparation of rabies vaccine are all made by growing the viruses in fetal embryo fibroblast cells. Fibroblast cells are the cells needed to hold skin and other connective tissue together. The fetal embryo fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same embryonic cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines."

Vaccine Ingredients – Fetal Tissues | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

 

[Benjamin]

***
But last August I had a tetanus shot.
I chose the left arm because I knew from experience that it would hurt for three days afterwards.
Well, that night I couldn’t sleep for the pain. When I went to work the next day I couldn’t even lift my arm.
An MRI two weeks later showed a torn rotator cuff muscle.
Turns out it’s one of the rare complications.
Therapy and time haven’t helped much.
Surgery and recovery is so extensive that the surgeon’s advice was, “Call me when it tears all the way”.

So... I’ve not had a shot since and am on a bit of a vaccine strike myself.

Rob

I've never heard of this and personally have had no symptoms after a Tetanus shot. So, I looked the scholar studies and it seems that #1 this rare "complication" is caused by the direct result of an "inadvertent" administration of a TDaP vaccine into the insertion of the infraspinatus and teres minor tendons on the posterior aspect of the greater tuberosity. #2 If you'd had the effect of pain after this shot that is all more reason to be careful about the location! ...if the one giving the shot is informed!

Considering this rare occurrence regardless of your personal adverse symptoms the location I was given the shot which caused this condition would tick me off! Especially when you have triceps right there it seems a very poor anatomical choice to place it in the infraspinatus tendon... !

BTW, I would train to the scapula in upward rotation and posterior tilt to open the joint off pinching the supraspinatus since the infraspinatus is weakened and not doing it's job followed by strengthen the infrasinatus with exterior rotation as tolerated.

 

[HankD]

Vaccines, Abortion, & Fetal Tissue - Right to Life of Michigan

Many of the most highly pushed vaccines of our age are manufactured using viruses that replicate in cells that are derived from the cells of cruelly murdered unborn children. In an age where unprecedented alarmism has struck the US over measles, I think it is fair that we must obey God over men if they pass vaccine mandates for such ill-gotten gains.

Proverbs 10:2-3
"Treasures of wickedness profit nothing: but righteousness delivereth from death. The LORD will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked."

The ends never justify the means.

I believe this is in keeping with the New Age philosophy of the DNC, the party of Death (Abortion, Euthanasia and Eugenics).

 

[mineben256]

I believe this is in keeping with the New Age philosophy of the DNC, the party of Death (Abortion, Euthanasia and Eugenics).

(I'm going to assume you were not saying that I am promoting death or new age philosophy)

It is definitely consistent with the DNC death agenda, but unfortunately most people who are in the Republican Party or otherwise oppose the DNC seem to be unaware on this issue.

 

[just-want-peace]

The only surgery I had was 11.5 years ago for a torn rotator cuff. Surgery went fine and after going through physical therapy it got back to normal pretty quickly.

Hope you get feeling better soon.

Likewise!!
Had my left repaired about 18 months ago and followed Drs directions re: therapy & have had no problems after some 5-6 weeks.
Good luck!

 

[HankD]

(I'm going to assume you were not saying that I am promoting death or new age philosophy)

Correct.

It is definitely consistent with the DNC death agenda, but unfortunately most people who are in the Republican Party or otherwise oppose the DNC seem to be unaware on this issue.

Also correct.

 

[Deacon]

I've never heard of this and personally have had no symptoms after a Tetanus shot. So, I looked the scholar studies and it seems that #1 this rare "complication" is caused by the direct result of an "inadvertent" administration of a TDaP vaccine into the insertion of the infraspinatus and teres minor tendons on the posterior aspect of the greater tuberosity.

I never heard of it myself until it happened. I have a 50% supraspinatus tear at insertion.
Surgery requires 7 weeks of immobilization followed by extensive rehab... you probably do that.
I’m the only one adequately trained in my office able to perform stress tests. Seven weeks out is unacceptable, both for me and my employer. So I carefully protect the arm. I was rather peeved when my 3yo granddaughter visited and I couldn’t pick her up to sit on my shoulders.

And skipped this years flu vaccine and the recommended Shingles vaccines.
I’ve already decided that would be the last DTaP shot... but that’s not a big thing at my age.

Rob

 

[HankD]

Its the statistics.

Whats better? A small pox outbreak or a much smaller smattering of non life threatening symptoms among the vaccinated.

However autism was at one time 1 per 10000 children now stands at 1 per 100.
Currently a verbal war is on over cause and effect - vaccine inoculations and autism.
One of my daughters is convinced that child vaccines are the direct cause of autism and is a loud campaigner thereof.

Assuming vaccines that are certified as not tainted with embryonic tissue of murdered children.

 

[HankD]

FWIW I have not had any vaccines - even flu - shots for 50 plus years since military service.

Had the flu once in Maine about 30 years ago - VERY sick, obviously survived.
In fact the entire household was sick.

Had a couple of outbreaks of what was diagnosed as shingles. Did not get the vaccination.

Every time I go to the clinic they push the various geriatric vaccines - soft sell. No thank you.

 

[Benjamin]

I never heard of it myself until it happened. I have a 50% supraspinatus tear at insertion.

Yes, I figured that the shot damage to the infraspinatus would cause a muscular imbalance in the shoulder complex allowing the humerus to come forward in the Glenohumeral joint therein pinching and tearing the supraspinatus because of catching it under the acromion process with the humeral head. I'm thinking with your knowledge of anatomy you might see this picture.

So... every time you catch it, when you feel that sharp pain, it makes the supraspinatus swell within that space which is already too tight so you are caught in a downward spiral - pinch ->swell -> pinch again because of swelling ->repeat. Therefore, what I was getting at, if you could train to scapular upward rotation and posterior tilt along with strengthening the infraspinatus to correct the muscular imbalance and open that acromion process space up you could likely do some healing, avoid further damage and improve function.

Surgery requires 7 weeks of immobilization followed by extensive rehab... you probably do that.
I’m the only one adequately trained in my office able to perform stress tests. Seven weeks out is unacceptable, both for me and my employer. So I carefully protect the arm. I was rather peeved when my 3yo granddaughter visited and I couldn’t pick her up to sit on my shoulders.

I feel you, I'm bone to bone in my left shoulder but I'm pretty artistic about using the correct muscles to keep that joint functional and away from damaging my supraspinatus, luckily I'm up to 85% or better functional - a perk of the trade, otherwise I would need a shoulder replacement but I'm avoiding that with all I got.

Just keep in mind that the rule of use it or lose it. With loss of range of motion and weakening and tightening muscles, increasing compensation and creating other imbalances causing comorbidities as you age. Don't sacrifice too much for this employer of yours.

And skipped this years flu vaccine and the recommended Shingles vaccines.

I don't do either of these and put my hope in my natural immunity. Had a patient a month ago with Shingles which reminds one how "real" and relevant his decisions are.

I’ve already decided that would be the last DTaP shot... but that’s not a big thing at my age.

Rob

I haven't had a tetanus shot in about 15 years but don't get cut near as much as I used to. Pretty rare to get it anyway but sure wouldn't want to get it!

 

[NoQuieroUnQueso]

Its the statistics.

Whats better? A small pox outbreak or a much smaller smattering of non life threatening symptoms among the vaccinated.

However autism was at one time 1 per 10000 children now stands at 1 per 100.
Currently a verbal war is on over cause and effect - vaccine inoculations and autism.
One of my daughters is convinced that child vaccines are the direct cause of autism and is a loud campaigner thereof.

Assuming vaccines that are certified as not tainted with embryonic tissue of murdered children.

I have high-functioning autism. Trust me, it's a lot better than being dead/crippled from a life-threatening disease.