Many will say, Lord, Lord

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Between physically hearing, that has not been Accompanied by The Holy Spirit,
and Spiritually Enabled believing, is The New Birth of The Holy Spirit.

No such Bible teaching as being saved in order to have faith.

 

[Van]

Repentance of sin is the result of the new birth/salvation and will be part of the sanctification process and our new life with the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:10. While we may sin from time to time after salvation it will never again be our practice 2Cor. 5:17, 1John 3:9,10.

Eph 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

2Co 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, this person is a new creation; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

1John 3:9-10
No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister. ​

Is repentance the "result" of the new birth? No. We are told to repent and believe (or put out trust in the gospel.) Repentance is turning from our sinful way to God's righteous way. It is choosing the narrow path that leads to life. Acts 20:26 tells us to repent and turn to God. Mark 1:15 tells us to repent and believe.

It is our action to take, to turn to Christ and away from trusting in all the other ways people think they should live. He is the way, the truth and the life.

By the numbers:
1) In order to be "in Christ" God must put the individual into Christ.
2) God chooses for salvation those who believe in the truth and sets them apart in Christ.
3) When placed in Christ the individual is born anew, created for good works.

As far as 1 John 3:9-10, it is impossible for anyone born of God to practice sin, as all their sins, past, present and future have been forgiven. Thus he or she cannot sin. However. we can think and do the things that would be sin, and when we do, we are to repent and strive to live righteously, as a born anew believer. Part of that is to consider and examine our behavior, confess our sinful thoughts and deeds, and commit to do better as to remember Him at communion.

 

[Dave G]

Let us not be fooled! We do not want to be one of those who will be turned away on that day when men stand before God. The way is narrow, and the road is straight, and FEW be that find it.

Nobody who truly loves the Lord does, Judith. But according to God's word, there is an underlying reason why it is that there are few, relatively speaking, that find it.

Our sin has set us all on the road to hell and no amount of good will fix the sin we have done. We have ALL sinned. It is not about the type of sin or how much sin. It is about the fact that we have sinned. For that reason we all need a Savior.

I completely agree with you, Judith. That is clearly what God's word says. All of mankind is spiritually bankrupt... and we all, to the last of us, need a Saviour ( whether or not we admit it ).

If we want forgiveness for our sin and peace with God. If we want to escape eternal hell. If we want to go to heaven we must understand the following. We DO NOT get saved (go to heaven), get right with God, forgiven, by being good, by being religious, by just believing in God, by praying a prayer, being baptized, asking or accepting Jesus into our hearts, accepting Jesus as our personal Saviour, confessing our sins, joining a church, cleaning up our lives, doing penance, taking the bread and the wine, or doing all these things accumulative.

Amen.

Salvation is a gift that is given to those who repent and come to faith. Eph. 2:8,9


Salvation takes repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, Acts 20:21. testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Make no mistake. We cannot be a friend of Christ and remain a rebel against God and unless we repent we remain a rebel. The word repent, from the Greek word “metanoia”, means a change of mind or direction.

God is not receiving those who almost or kind of repents. It is like the word About-face which is a 180 degree turn. We turn from not wanting God fully in our lives to willfully surrendering to Him to lead our lives.

Again, amen...but what I've found is that it is a growth process in the life of one whom God has begun a work in, and not something that "happens overnight".

When any person comes to the place where they are broken over their sin toward God to the point that they want to get right with God no matter what it will cost them they are in a state/spirit of repentance toward God. Luke 14:33 Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. The repentant heart would walk away from anything or any one to get right with God.

Yet again, Amen!

 

[Dave G]

We then take that willing repentant heart we have towards God and place it on the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Master, because He paid the price for our sin, and that becomes faith. At that moment God’s grace through Christ is freely applied to us and we are born again, saved from eternal hell and sealed by the Spirit so that we will never again return to the practice of sinning. 1John 3:9,10.

No, Judith, that is not what the Lord, through His word, teaches His people. But I will tell you that that is what I believed for many years (since coming to the Lord in 1978), as that is what I was taught by men in the Baptist churches that I attended for some 28 years of my life.

What I later found is that they had it backwards, and salvation is not conditioned upon a person's belief or anything else that we, as men and women, do for God...
It's completely dependent upon God's grace and mercy towards a person.

Repentance is a change of heart that leads to a change of mind about sin... and the desire that one experiences to get right with the Lord is, in actuality, the result of God's work at the very foundation of their being. It's called "being born again", or having had a new "heart" given to them by the Lord.
They are already righteous in His sight.

Like David, all of His elect are people after God's own heart... and it is because they are vessels of mercy afore prepared unto glory, and they are a people whom Christ died for and rose again for.


Please read the entirety of Paul's letter to the Romans, for example, and I hope that you will begin to see this for yourself.
In fact, I encourage you to read all of the epistles, as it is my hope that all who read this will see what God ( not men ) has to say about a great many things.

May He richly bless you in your studies.

 

[MrW]

I agree with Judith.