Maranatha

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rev. Joshua Villines:Any . . . accrediting agency . . . .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And, as MBBC is accredited, it would seem your assessment is in error! But it was a nice try.

And, as we have already seen your opinions regarding the bible and its inspiration and authority also branded "silly" we can assume your opinions of the convictions of men is on the same level as your opinions regarding the word of God.

As my Grandfather used to say, "Consider the source."

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: Thomas Cassidy ]

 

Here are the stats on the faculty:

# of faculty who did their graduate work at Maranatha: 5

Sources of Ph.D.'s (or faculty member's highest degree) If a person holds 2 equivalent degrees I listed both schools:

Bob Jones: 11
Pepperdine: 1
U Wisconsin: 8 (primarily education Master's)
Temple: 3
Ball State: 2
U Denver: 1
Maranatha: 5
U Penn: 1
Pensacola Christian: 1
U Northern Colorado: 1
Oakland University: 1
Trinity: 1
E. Michigan: 1
U Michigan: 1
Central Michigan: 1
Westminster: 1

Percent of the faculty with Ph.D.'s/Ed.D.'s: 21% (9 out of 43)

4 of those Ph.D.'s come from Bob Jones (which is unaccredited and which only started allowing interracial dating in the past 3 years) and one from Trinity, whose accredidation I'm unfamiliar with but whose background is similar to BJU's.

Compare this with a typical regional undergraduate college where 80-90% of the faculty hold Ph.D.'s - all of which come from accredited universities.

Joshua

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: Rev. Joshua Villines ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thomas Cassidy:
And, as MBBC is accredited, it would seem your assessment is in error! But it was a nice try.

And, as we have already seen your opinions regarding the bible and its inspiration and authority also branded "silly" we can assume your opinions of the convictions of men is on the same level as your opinions regarding the word of God.

As my Grandfather used to say, "Consider the source."

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: Thomas Cassidy ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thomas, I looked for their accredidation on their website and did not see it listed. It would surprise me if they held a recognized accredidation, but even if I did their faculty composition makes their academic credibility suspect.

I don't want to veer off on an unrelated tangent, but I will point out that your baseless accusation that I consider the authority and inspiration of Scripture "silly" is dead wrong.

I do, however, consider Maranatha's reactionary and juvenile reaction to all things contemporary silly and academically irresponsible.

Joshua

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: Rev. Joshua Villines ]

 

Flyfree432,
I don't think you have been well-served by the responses on this thread. First, when a young person asks a question, it may be out of rebellion, but it also may be because they want to know. I think the latter is where you are coming from. Your question deserves an answer. If it is a good and fair one, and if those who support the music standard at MBBC can persuade you of their position, they have gained a student. If it is not persuasive, then MBBC needs to think through this issue and respond with a policy and an answer that is credible. Unfortunatley, changing standards in an institution of higher learning is a slow process. Institutes of higher learning are dedicating to learning in a sense. But they can also become very staid and stuck in their ways. Moss doesn't grow on college campuses for nothing. Schools are often beholden to ideas of alumni (often IFB pastors in this case) and churches which are not on the cutting edge of thought. Change often comes slowly and later than it should (i.e. BJU only recently allowing interracial dating, long years after this policy should have been changed). I suspect that, while MBBC may keep this policy for the forseeable future, there is a healthy debate on the campus of the school over this issue which you would enjoy if you can live with the restriction. If you choose a less conservative school, they will take a more moderate position on music and will likely never present you with the conservative argument. You'll be the poorer for not having thought through the issue.
As for Joshua, don't let him fool you. He has found an issue at MBBC that you have questioned. He has a deeper motive than questioning that one issue. He loathes a school like MBBC because it is fundamental (correct me if I'm wrong Joshua). He'd love to drive a wedge between you and MBBC and discourage you from going there.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyfree432:
I don't see their rule on banning certian Christian musicians as being biblical. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Adam,

I think you are missing the point here. There are some definite problems with Steve Green but the bigger issue is that the school says If you are going to be a student here, these are the rules. They do not ask you to like them nor agree with them. I think they simply ask you to abide by them while you are a student at their school. Without meaning to beat up on Joshua, his dislike of this school should tell you everything you need to know about it.

I have no particular affinity for MBBC. I know a few graduates, some of whom I have been impressed with some not. Overall, understand that institutions have rules for institutional reasons. They do not judge your spirituality by whether you keep those rules after you are gone.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by swaimj:
As for Joshua, don't let him fool you. He has found an issue at MBBC that you have questioned. He has a deeper motive than questioning that one issue. He loathes a school like MBBC because it is fundamental (correct me if I'm wrong Joshua). He'd love to drive a wedge between you and MBBC and discourage you from going there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I loathe any school whose faculty has deep connections to Bob Jones University because I believe such places give baptists a bad name and do a tremendous disservice to Christian education.

Nevertheless, I have intentionally kept my comments limited to the topic at hand. I would hope that, after almost 800 posts on this board, it is clear that I speak my mind (and professional opinion) on each issue as it arises. I also have not hesitated to agree with my fundamentalist colleagues when I've thought they were right.

I realize that Adam will go to a school that is far more conservative than anything I could be remotely comfortable with. That does not change the fact that Maranatha (like its apparent ally Bob Jones) seems obsessed with preserving a cultural stereotype rather than rather than fostering a mature, theologically deep academic environment.

Joshua

 

Since this thread has departed from it's intended purpose, I do not see any reason why it should continue and turn into a mud slinging between BB members. For this reason I have no alternative but to close it down. I trust that this will give time for all concerned to evaluate their conviction on treating the other person as Christ would have, and forget about so called "personal hurt." The Bible tells us to consider others (believers) better than ourselves. So, if we will start doing this then we will fare well. God bless all!