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Margaret Thatcher versus the Scots

Crabtownboy

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This article surprised me. I knew, from talking to Baptist pastors, that Maggie was held in great disdain by and was greatly hated by the miners. However, I did not know of her being so hated by the Scots.

There is more to the article than what I pasted below.


While agreeing with Donne's 'any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind', I must admit to pouring a glass of good malt at the news of Mrs Thatcher's passing.

In Glasgow, hundreds partied in George Square at the news. As one commentator said, 'I wish there had been a statue of Thatcher so that I could have hit it with my shoe', bringing to mind the fall of Saddam Hussein.

The Southern English may laud her as the greatest prime minister after Churchill but for us Scots — and many in Northern England — she was a hate figure who in the febrile, last days of her premiership scarcely dared to cross the border for fear of being assassinated. Why?

Primarily because she was an ideologue, a Schumpeterian who believed in 'creative destruction' in economics, setting entrepreneurs free (Schumpeter's 'wild spirits') to do as they pleased, and in ignoring the will of the people in favour of the decisions of politicians.

Her policies were like those of the IMF during the time of structural adjustment policies — experiments which omitted to note the effect of these economic games on the lives of human beings.

I lived in Scotland through her time as prime minister and saw my country's industries disappear like snow off a dyke, plunging thousands into poverty. She eschewed negotiation with the unions and preferred all out war, regardless of the consequences. Once her legacy is reassessed, she will have the unenviable reputation of being the PM who caused most poverty in UK history.

She supported tyrants like Pinochet, called Mandela a 'terrorist' and ordered the sinking of the Belgrano, an Argentinian battleship which was moving away from the Falklands and was outside the exclusion zone; 368 Argentinian sailors were killed and the Iron Lady was pictured smirking triumphantly at the news, no doubt approving of The Sun's notorious headline of 'Gotcha!'. That act scuppered the emerging UN peace deal.

She ushered in a culture of greed disguised as entrepreneurial spirit that resulted years later in the Global Financial Crisis. And she hectored our allies in the European Union like the Little Englander she became.

Above all, she was hated for using Scotland, with its separate legal system, as a guinea pig for another experiment — the introduction of the poll tax which was seen as a tax on the poor to benefit the rich.



http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=35800
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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This article surprised me. I knew, from talking to Baptist pastors, that Maggie was held in great disdain by and was greatly hated by the miners. However, I did not know of her being so hated by the Scots.
Why
There is more to the article than what I pasted below.



Thats why Scotland & Wales need to be independent.
 

Crabtownboy

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She just died, the way liberals are wanting to trash her is just shameful. Good Grief.

Good grief ... so all the Scots are liberals.

You do know that her own party, her own MPs, when it could not stomach her any longer, removed her from power.

Apparently her last years were very lonesome ones. Abandoned by her political party, isolated from almost every as she has alienated just about everyone she knew, it is reported her primary activity was watering her roses alone except for the policeman assigned to guard her from harm.

I can tell you that every Baptist pastor from the UK I have talked to did not like her. I have been told of the harm done by her policies to the poor and working class. As one said, "Many people in my congregation were greatly harmed by her policies:.

I have no particular felling one way or the other as I did not live in the UK.
 
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church mouse guy

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As she said, the left doesn't care if the poor get poorer as long as the rich get poorer.

It is interesting that the Westboro crowd has branches everywhere.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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As she said, the left doesn't care if the poor get poorer as long as the rich get poorer.

It is interesting that the Westboro crowd has branches everywhere.

Duhh...what a moron remark that was....did you think before you speak or are you just sooo ignorant to really believe that stupid remark has validity.
 

Salty

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As she said, the left doesn't care if the poor get poorer as long as the rich get poorer. ...

Duhh...what a moron remark that was....did you think before you speak or are you just sooo ignorant to really believe that stupid remark has validity.

I did find this info: (scroll down about 2/3)
THATCHER: "He would rather have the poor poorer, provided the rich were less rich. That was the liberal policy! Yes, it came out! He didn't intend it to, but he did. I give way to the honorable gentleman."
 

Crabtownboy

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Hey, maybe you can act like an adult and not twist people's words. You do not need to look at the scots, you do not have to go any rather than your own front porch.

Hey, maybe you can act like an adult and post something on the topic and intelligent.

I talked with a British pastor this afternoon. He said even her children would not visit her.

He also said you either loved her or hated her ... no one was in the middle.
 

Matt Black

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She WAS and continues to be in death, divisive. My own views on her are mixed and we did well out of her rule in 'Y Sowth' in a way that 'Thems Oop North' often didn't. Much as I expect you won't find many fans of The Gipper in the Michigan rust belt towns, you won't find many who carry a torch for Maggie in the former mining towns of the North of England.

All of that said, I've been utterly sickened by some of the scenes I've witnessed this week, with street parties (mini-riots in reality) to 'celebrate' and people buying copies of Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead; you can disagree with the policies whilst respecting the person, especially when she's scarcely cold. A very bad case of playing the woman not the ball. At times like this, I wish we had a thirty-day flag rule like you do in the US
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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She WAS and continues to be in death, divisive. My own views on her are mixed and we did well out of her rule in 'Y Sowth' in a way that 'Thems Oop North' often didn't. Much as I expect you won't find many fans of The Gipper in the Michigan rust belt towns, you won't find many who carry a torch for Maggie in the former mining towns of the North of England.

All of that said, I've been utterly sickened by some of the scenes I've witnessed this week, with street parties (mini-riots in reality) to 'celebrate' and people buying copies of Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead; you can disagree with the policies whilst respecting the person, especially when she's scarcely cold. A very bad case of playing the woman not the ball. At times like this, I wish we had a thirty-day flag rule like you do in the US

So what are you suggesting? Are you saying the the British people are becoming unglued...that the wheels are falling off? Why are they becoming uncouth.... are the "Austerity Measures " imposed by your government causing a rift or is it something else?
 

Salty

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...All of that said, I've been utterly sickened by some of the scenes I've witnessed this week, with street parties (mini-riots in reality) to 'celebrate' and people buying copies of Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead; you can disagree with the policies whilst respecting the person, especially when she's scarcely cold. A very bad case of playing the woman not the ball. At times like this, I wish we had a thirty-day flag rule like you do in the US

Matt, I am just wondering how U.S. conservatives will act when Obama goes to see his maker....
 

Matt Black

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I hope with more dignity than the lefties have here to Thatcher.

EW&F, in many respects ironically Britain is less divided now than it was in the 1970s and 1980s; it is far less class-riven now than it was then and the North-South divide is not as bad as it was. We have in exchange a milder version of your conservative-v-progressive culture wars but are more united as a nation - witness the Olympics and Jubilee celebrations last year.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I did find this info: (scroll down about 2/3)
THATCHER: "He would rather have the poor poorer, provided the rich were less rich. That was the liberal policy! Yes, it came out! He didn't intend it to, but he did. I give way to the honorable gentleman."

YOU FORGOT THE 2ND PARAGRAPH (SEE HIGHLIGHTED)

As she said, the left doesn't care if the poor get poorer as long as the rich get poorer.

It is interesting that the Westboro crowd has branches everywhere.
 
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