Mark 14:12-16. Nisan 14.

[Alan Gross]

Your impossing an unstated evening.

It's right in Mark 14:17. " in the evening".

The day of the week would depend on the actual year.

Correct. And every Bible passage concerning it all fitting together.

And a "their" Wednesday is ludicrous.

It was "their" Wednesday, "in the evening", of our Tuesday, before their Wednesday day, when Jesus was crucified.

The next verse Mark 14:17 says it was the evening following, that Passover day in the text.

It says, " in the evening", not the next, or "following" evening.

It might be funny, but is just how all of the Bible passages fit together, to all arrive at the same conclusion.

 

[Alan Gross]

seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread therewith; with the passover; this plainly shows, that by the passover in the preceding verse is not meant strictly the passover lamb, for that was eaten at once on the night of the fourteenth of the month, and not seven days running, and therefore must be put for the whole solemnity of the feast, and all the sacrifices of it, both the lamb of the fourteenth, and the Chagigah of the fifteenth, and every of the peace offerings of the rest of the days were to be eaten with unleavened bread:"

"Verse 8. Six days shalt thou eat unleavened bread,.... In other places it is ordered to be eaten seven days, Exodus 12:15 and here it is not said six only; it was to be eaten on the seventh as on the other, though that is here distinguished from the six, because of special and peculiar service assigned to it, but not because of an exemption from eating unleavened bread on it. The Jews seem to understand this of different corn of which the bread was made, and not of different sort of bread; the Targum of Jonathan is, on the first day ye shall offer the sheaf (the firstfruits of the barley harvest), and on the six days which remain ye shall begin to eat the unleavened bread of the new fruits, and so Jarchi:

The 21st is not a day of unleaved bread.

So, they are to eat leavened bread on the 21st?

The 21st is the 7th day of the feast of unleaved bread.

Then, why would they be eating leavened bread during the feast of unleavened bread?

The Jews seem to understand this of different corn of which the bread was made, (the unleavened sheaf that they ate on Nison 14, on the Passover Day, the day of preparation, as the first fruits of the barley harvest) and not of different sort of bread;

the Targum of Jonathan is, on the first day (of the 7 days of the overall feast of unleavened, on the Passover Day, the day of preparation), ye shall offer the sheaf (the firstfruits of the barley harvest),

and on the six days which remain (of a total of 7, in which they were still to eat unleavened bread, it is saying) ye shall begin to eat the unleavened bread of the new fruits, and so Jarchi:

 

[37818]

the Targum . . . .

The Targum as such, is not the authorative word of God.

Then, why would they be eating leavened bread during the feast of unleavened bread?

They are only commanded to eat unleavened bread 7 days not the 8th day. Exodus 12:18. Eating unleaven bread is never forbidden.

 

[37818]

. . . how all of the Bible passages fit together, to all arrive at the same conclusion.

The command to eat unleavened bread is only for 7 days. With only one exception, Deuteronomy 16:8, and the explanation is found in Exodus 12:18, giving the 7 of the 8 days.

 

[Alan Gross]

The command to eat unleavened bread is only for 7 days. With only one exception, Deuteronomy 16:8, and the explanation is found in Exodus 12:18, giving the 7 of the 8 days.

Galatians5: 7 "Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 "This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

Just kidding, Br. P!

Come to find out, those wonderful verses are directed at me, in case Salty wonders why we go on and on about this stuff.

Eventually, that anti-type scripture about Unleavened Bread, was used by God to nail me, on some stuff!!!

Cool. Praise the Lord!

 

[37818]

It was "their" Wednesday, "in the evening", of our Tuesday, before their Wednesday day, when Jesus was crucified.

There is no "their" Wednesday.
Jewish days begin with their evening's.
Mark 14:12-16 WAS the day of the Passover.
Mark 14:17 WAS the FOLLOWING stated evening.

 

[37818]

I thank the LORD for you brother @Alan Gross.

 

[Alan Gross]

Mark 14:12-16 WAS the day of the Passover.

I'm having the disciples asking, "Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?", after 6:00 pm on our Tuesday, which is the very beginning of their Wednesday, Nison 14, in the late afternoon after 6:00 pm on our Tuesday, the beginning of their Wednesday Passover and day of preparation, "the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover..."

A few hours later on, around ~8 -9pm +/-, on our Tuesday, in the same beginning of their Wednesday Passover and day of preparation, the sun would have began to have gone down fully, so in the dark of what would be our Tuesday "evening", which is still in the beginning of their Wednesday, Nison 14, the night before Jesus was crucified, is what I'm saying that:
17 "And in the evening he cometh with the twelve", means.

Then, they fix the Passover, eat the Lord's final Supper, go to the Garden, Jesus is arrested, and is taken to His trials through the night, still their Wednesday, Nison, before the day light of the Wednesday Passover Day, when Jesus is crucified and buried, before 6 pm.
...

Whereas, if your saying that it was Friday, Nison 14(?) the day of the Passover, per the O.P., as in: 12 "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?"

where you said:

Mark 14:12-16 WAS the day of the Passover.

and then we add to that what you said about:

Mark 14:17 WAS the FOLLOWING stated evening.

that would have you saying that:
17 "And in the evening he cometh with the twelve",

would be on Saturday evening, at night, Nison 15(?)

Then, on that "Following stated evening", from the Passover, Nison 14, as you said, which would be in the evening on the weekly Sabbath, Saturday, Nison 15, at night, then they fix the Passover, eat the Lord's final Supper, go to the Garden, Jesus is arrested, and is taken to His trials through the rest of the night, and is crucified during the day light and then Jesus would have been buried just before 6 pm, which would be just before the beginning their Sunday, right?

Which would have Jonah having to have been left in the whales belly for less than 12 hours(?)

I may be totally wrong, but if that's the case, we'd have to start a brand new whole set of threads there, wouldn't we??

Whew!

Say it's not so!?! .

 

[robycop3]

I was wondering how on earth you moved the Sabbath around each year to be on a Saturday. You just skipped what the Bible says about Nison 15 being the ANNUAL Sabbath, "that Sabbath was a high day", which can't and doesn't always fall on Saturday, anymore than our July the 4th, or December the 25th aways fall on the same day of the week. They just can't and don't.

Of course, there is a seventh day Sabbath on each Saturday in every week, but Nison 15 is an Annual Sabbath, a Holy convocation unto the Lord, and whatever day of the week it falls, THAT is the Sabbath from which we calculate knowing that the Lord was crucified on the day before it.

We can't just say that the Saturday Sabbath during the entire 15th to the 21st is the only Sabbath during that period, from which to go back one day in order to claim Jesus was crucified on a Friday, just because we assume that we just have to have Friday set in concrete, for the day we are determined to say Jesus died.

The 15th and 21st are Sabbaths, too, Holy convocations unto the Lord.

That Saturday Sabbath was not a High Day Annual Sabbath, as per John 19:31.

Nison 15 was the High Day Annual Sabbath that John 19:31 tells us to look for and what day did it fall on in A.D. 31, according to the Jewish calendar? Thursday.

Otherwise, by trying to force the weekly Saturday Sabbath into being the High Day John 19:31 is talking about, we are going to have to also say that Saturday is on Nison 15 every year, and we'd be making a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

Nison 15 can't and doesn't always fall on a Saturday. It can and does some years, but not in every year. In A.D. 31, I see it fell on a Thursday, from the Jewish calendar.

That is what makes the day before that Nison 15 Annual High Day Sabbath, on Thursday, the day of the week when Jesus was crucified to be Wednesday, the day of preparation.

Leviticus 23:7
"On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it." An Annual Sabbath.

Numbers 29:12
"On the fifteenth day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work, and you shall keep a feast to the LORD seven days." An Annual Sabbath.

Exodus 12:16; "And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them," Both Holy convocations are Annual Sabbaths.

The "High Sabbaths" follow the same rules as the regular weekly Sabbaths. On Passover Week, there are usually two Sabbaths in one week. If a High Sabbath falls on the same day as a regular Sabbath, the same rules are followed.

Misunderstanding of this led to the creation of "Good Friday", which isn't a real holiday at all. Jesus was actually killed in 27 AD. based on the fact He was born in 7 BC, as Quirinius, mentioned by Luke, was governor of the area only until 7 BC. Plwase read when passover began in 27 AD.

"Preparation Day" is when as much mundane work as possible was done for the next day, the Sabbath, as well as for the prep day itself. (Of course, some work must be done on Sabbaths, such as baby care, tending the sick, & animal husbandry.)